Excommunication looms for American Maryknoll active in 'Womanpriest' rites

[Chris_LaRock]

The day the RCC publically excommunicates pro-aborts and people who support the culture of death in general, I will convert. Okay?

 

[chris_molter]

The day the RCC publically excommunicates pro-aborts and people who support the culture of death in general, I will convert. Okay?

You should probably try to understand why the Church doesn’t have or claim to have that kind of broad sweeping authority/omniscience rather than expect it to conform to your wishes.

 

[Chris_LaRock]

You should probably try to understand why the Church doesn’t have or claim to have that kind of broad sweeping authority/omniscience rather than expect it to conform to your wishes.

True.

However, public officials who support the culture of death while claiming to be catholic are very vocal about it. Allowing such people to remain in the Church sends mixed messages. And as I said before, I would convert to catholicism in a heartbeat if such people were excommunicated publically.

BTW, It’s just not me who feels that such people should be excommunicated. Many people inside the Church would like to see the teachings of the RCC enforced.

 

[chris_molter]

True.

However, public officials who support the culture of death while claiming to be catholic are very vocal about it. Allowing such people to remain in the Church sends mixed messages. And as I said before, I would convert to catholicism in a heartbeat if such people were excommunicated publically.

Ah yes, in this I certainly agree. Those politicians who author, support, or vote for pro-abortion legislation are not only engaging in cooperation with evil, they are causing scandal and the local Bishop ought to act.

I also apologize if my prior remark came across snarky. I ask your forgiveness for my sarcasm.

 

[KathleenElsie]

True.

However, public officials who support the culture of death while claiming to be catholic are very vocal about it. Allowing such people to remain in the Church sends mixed messages. And as I said before, I would convert to catholicism in a heartbeat if such people were excommunicated publically.

BTW, It’s just not me who feels that such people should be excommunicated. Many people inside the Church would like to see the teachings of the RCC enforced.

Have you thought that you could be more effective if you joined first? IMHO we don’t bargain with God.

 

[Brian777]

Wow. excommunicating a priest. Wow. Even as a protestant it seems that this priest has an easy way to support priesthood for women. **Every night, pray to God that if it be His will for women to have the priesthood that He would let that be known to the Pope. Case (and cafeteria) **closed.

When I was growing up if you wanted to be a priest you could not be married…now all of a sudden if a man who was preacher from another religion converts to Catholism and is married with children can become a priest. Please show me how this is different. I have to admit I was on the fence about this issue until I read his letter to the Vatican and I didn’t even think about the married clergy conversion. What he is saying is makes lots of sense and you can’t deny that. **He is saying that God is telling him to follow his heart!!! ** BTW, from what I understand from my cousin, the priest’s niece, he didn’t do the ordination, only said the homiily.

God has already spoken on this issue, We dont have to ask him if he would allow female priests, because he has said no for the past 2000 years, and God would not tell someone to follow their heart if their heart was leading them away from His Truth and Holy Mother Church. Satan spoke to this priest, and unfortunately he listened. Pray for him that he hears the voice for the Evil it really is and repents of his heresy.

 

[Sir_Knight]

From the above link …

… I suspect that a penal decree here will not only impose an excommunication, it will also lay the groundwork for a fairly expeditious dismissal from the clerical state …

… wouldn’t excommunication be more serious that dismissal from the clerical state?

 

[Peregrino]

He is in my prayers. I am reminded of a quote by St. Thomas Aquinas:

*“Anyone, upon whom the ecclesiastical authority, in ignorance of true facts, imposes a demand that offends his clear conscience, should perish in excommunication rather than violate his conscience.” *

The priest in question stated: “Sexism, like racism, is a sin. And no matter how hard or how long we may try to justify discrimination, in the end, it is always immoral”.

I agree with him. Sometimes the remnants of the past that we hand off to future generations are disturbing…

 

[cthulhubryan]

God has already spoken on this issue, We dont have to ask him if he would allow female priests, because he has said no for the past 2000 years, and God would not tell someone to follow their heart if their heart was leading them away from His Truth and Holy Mother Church. Satan spoke to this priest, and unfortunately he listened. Pray for him that he hears the voice for the Evil it really is and repents of his heresy.

You’d think the priest would know that. You are right that we should pray for him. I was trying to point out that since no pope has said it should be so that God didn’t seem to think it should be so.

 

[Chris_LaRock]

Ah yes, in this I certainly agree. Those politicians who author, support, or vote for pro-abortion legislation are not only engaging in cooperation with evil, they are causing scandal and the local Bishop ought to act.

I also apologize if my prior remark came across snarky. I ask your forgiveness for my sarcasm.

No offense taken. It’s just that I’d like to see a more dramatic reaction from the RCC. How would the early church fathers have handled this situation?

 

[Jesus_N_Cherie]

True.

However, public officials who support the culture of death while claiming to be catholic are very vocal about it. Allowing such people to remain in the Church sends mixed messages. And as I said before, I would convert to catholicism in a heartbeat if such people were excommunicated publically.

BTW, It’s just not me who feels that such people should be excommunicated. Many people inside the Church would like to see the teachings of the RCC enforced.

All true Catholics would love to see the teachings of the RCC enforced. However, we must always understand EXACTLY what that entails. Excommunication is not something done lightly…nor should it be. Yet, there are certainly…especially in today’s time of much scandal because of outright disobedience…times in which excommunication should be threatened and used. We must make people realize how important these subjects are that they are so disobedient about. ANd we need the rest of the world to understand that it is so offensive to God that excommunication is better for their souls than to allow such disobedience. Doesn’t this make sense?
I do not want my children to grow up being taught by disobedient Catholics that the Church says it is okay for priests to pretend to ordain women…or that voting for abortion is not a grave and serious sin. And the Church not standing up and saying that these things are serious enough for excommunication is like saying that it is alright.

 

[Jesus_N_Cherie]

The priest in question stated: “Sexism, like racism, is a sin. And no matter how hard or how long we may try to justify discrimination, in the end, it is always immoral”.

I agree with him. Sometimes the remnants of the past that we hand off to future generations are disturbing…

But what about the FACT that God is the author of the priesthood. The RCC is not a democracy. It is not for us, His creations, to question, doubt or disobey Him. He has said “Only men for the priesthood”. The RCC has no authority or ability to disobey God in this or anything else.

The definition of sin is disobedience to God. Anyone who claims that she is being called to the priesthood is dead on wrong. Because God is the only one to call for the priesthood, and He has said it is only for men.

HOWEVER, women certainly recieve callings to devote themselves completely to Christ with their entire lives. It is called becoming a nun. Research St. Mary Magdalene, Blessed Theresa of Calcutta, St. Theresa of Avilla, St. Cabrini, St. Theresa Avila, St. Faustina, St. Lucy (Fatima), St. Bernadette (Lourdes) and the list goes on and on.

As for St. Lucy from Fatima, and St. Bernadette from Lourdes…why did God not call these women to be priests. What about St. Theresa of the Little Flower…who was a doctor of the RCC? That is how much God used her…she is a doctor of the RCC! Yet she was not a priest.

A woman who is called by God to a virginal state for life is being called to become a nun. Not a priest.

Women, true women, are totally accepting of their lot in life. We see and realize our worth as children of God. We do not need to be men. We realize our dignity and worth as women. After all, our patron is the Most Ever Virgin, Immaculate Mary, Mother of God! How could that not be enough? To look at the Mother of Christ, and strive to be like Her is a totally worthy endeavor for life. I cannot be as Christ…as I am a woman and not a man. I can strive to be holy, as He is holy…but my womanhood totally keeps me from having His Manhood. And I am just as loved and valued by Him as any man. I am just different than any and all men.
These peopl

 

[Peregrino]

He has said “Only men for the priesthood”.

Where?

Women, true women, are totally accepting of their lot in life.

If everyone had accepted their “lot in life”, women would not be able to vote, slavery might still exist etc. etc. This line of reasoning on your part scares me…

To look at the Mother of Christ, and strive to be like Her is a totally worthy endeavor for life.

Agreed. However, it is not the only endeavor available to women. Just as a woman bore Jesus, there is no reason why a woman cannot bring Jesus to others in the Eucharist as a priest.

 

[mlchance]

The priest in question stated: “Sexism, like racism, is a sin. And no matter how hard or how long we may try to justify discrimination, in the end, it is always immoral”.

I agree with him.

So, then in your book, when a foster care agency discriminates against a registered sex offender who wants to be a foster parent, that’s immoral?

…there is no reason why a woman cannot bring Jesus to others in the Eucharist as a priest.

That’s certainly true, but only if one ignores the Church’s reasons for saying that woman cannot be ordained.

– Mark L. Chance.

 

[Corki]

From the above link … … wouldn’t excommunication be more serious that dismissal from the clerical state?

“serious” is relative. Excommunication is more easily remedied with Confession, probably Absolution reserved to the Bishop.

Dismissal from the clerical state is pretty much always permanent.

 

[Peregrino]

So, then in your book, when a foster care agency discriminates against a registered sex offender who wants to be a foster parent, that’s immoral?

This is a perfect example. The problem with discrimination is that it deals with people categorically, not as individuals. I have heard of jurisdictions where two married adults (maybe they are even parents), caught by police having intercourse in a vehicle, can be charged with an offense requiring them to register as sex offenders. If morality is contingent upon the letter of the secular law then we are doomed…

That’s certainly true, but only if one ignores the Church’s reasons for saying that woman cannot be ordained.

I will remember that next time I ordain a woman… lol.

The Church says it has no authority to ordain women, yet this has not been declared infallibly. Not that it would matter, the whole circular infallibility thing is another issue…

 

[rpp]

This is a perfect example. The problem with discrimination is that it deals with people categorically, not as individuals. I have heard of jurisdictions where two married adults (maybe they are even parents), caught by police having intercourse in a vehicle, can be charged with an offense requiring them to register as sex offenders. If morality is contingent upon the letter of the secular law then we are doomed…

Your example is not correct. A couple having sex in a car would not have to register as sex offenders.

I will remember that next time I ordain a woman… lol.

The Church says it has no authority to ordain women, yet this has not been declared infallibly. Not that it would matter, the whole circular infallibility thing is another issue…

Again, this is incorrect. It has been repeatedly stated infallibly. Most recently by Popes John Paul II, John XXIII and Pius XII.

Sorry dud, you are using your human reasoning and your position puts you outside the Church.

In short, you are wrong. And you comparison are so invalid they are like comparing apples with chairs.

 

[Chris_LaRock]

And the Church not standing up and saying that these things are serious enough for excommunication is like saying that it is alright.

I agree. When a so-called Catholic political leader says it’s okay to “excommunicate” an innocent child from the human race through abortion, the Church should have the courage to excommunicate that politician from the Church. :knight1:

I have a RCC Catechism, and plan to study it.

 

[jfhh]

Someone clarify for me.

Is the Vatican demanding under threat of possible excommunication and expulsion from his order that he:

A. Renounce his BELIEF that women can be priests.

or

B. Renounce the PRACTICE of disobeying the church and being involved in ordaining women without the church’s permission.

If it’s A, then I support the priest. It’s a freedom of thought issue. If it’s B or something LIKE it, then I support the Vatican. The priest as part of his job should obey his bosses whether he agrees with them or not. If a priest thinks Mass should be celebrated with orange juice, then he can think that all he wants; that doesn’t make it right for him to go against those he promised to obey.

 

[tecvba]

Someone clarify for me.

Is the Vatican demanding under threat of possible excommunication and expulsion from his order that he:

A. Renounce his BELIEF that women can be priests.

or

B. Renounce the PRACTICE of disobeying the church and being involved in ordaining women without the church’s permission.

If it’s A, then I support the priest. It’s a freedom of thought issue. If it’s B or something LIKE it, then I support the Vatican. The priest as part of his job should obey his bosses whether he agrees with them or not. If a priest thinks Mass should be celebrated with orange juice, then he can think that all he wants; that doesn’t make it right for him to go against those he promised to obey.

I think if a person believes their thoughts or practices are more valid than Church teaching they need to stop the practices and do some studying to re-train their thoughts. In other words, the priest here, to be reconciled to the Church, would need to stop the practices that go against the Church and also search the teachings of the Church to see where he went wrong. It’s not an either/or situation, he needs to do both-stop the outward appearance that causes scandal and form his conscience to change his heart. I can’t think of an issue that I would rather have my own way than the Church’s. Rebellion in the mind and heart is the end of peace in the soul.