Excommunication looms for American Maryknoll active in 'Womanpriest' rites

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Actually the priest who insists on priestly ordination of woman does not have the discretion in understanding the basic difference between man and woman. Fundamentally man and woman are equals but different. Their roles are different, whether it is within family or within the community. Each should do justice to their calling and not try to emulate the other for satisfying false notions of superiority. Let the priest be loyal to the Church and the community whose care he is entrusted and not follow his whims and fancies to satisfy his disorientation.
 
Why is this post in Eastern Catholicism? Will the Moderators please move it?
 
I am reminded of this quote:

*“Anyone, upon whom the ecclesiastical authority, in ignorance of true facts, imposes a demand that offends his clear conscience, should perish in excommunication rather than violate his conscience.” *St. Thomas Aquinas
Obviously, he can’t simply pretend to agree with the Catholic teaching. He has to believe the faith genuinely before he can profess it.

However, whether he submits to the teaching without believing it, or remains outside of communion with the church, he goes to hell either way. Such is the importance of conforming one’s conscience to the faith of the Church.
 
He is in my prayers. I am reminded of a quote by St. Thomas Aquinas:

*“Anyone, upon whom the ecclesiastical authority, in ignorance of true facts, imposes a demand that offends his clear conscience, should perish in excommunication rather than violate his conscience.” *
If your conscience is anything other than properly formed (ie in agreement with Church teaching on all essential points, as this priest’s wasn’t) then you are NOT to obey it, but instead to trust to the Church’s guidance.

I doubt very much that the ‘Angelic Doctor’ would hold that such a seriously malformed conscience fits any definition of the word ‘clear’ or should in any way be obeyed in preference to Church teaching - that is on essential, rather than disciplinary, matters, and JP2 has made clear that womens’ ordination is NOT just a matter of discipline, but rather that as a matter of faith and morals the Church lacks the power to ordain women.
 
Why is this post in Eastern Catholicism? Will the Moderators please move it?
I third this notion.

Also, I am sorry if he is a relative of the OP, but participating in such a heretical ceremony as that is grounds for excommunication.
 
For a lengthy and (IMO) interesting lesson on why women should not be priests (for one thing, they’d be priestesses), see an older book, What Would Happen to God by William Oddie.
Subtitle: Feminism and Reconstruction of Christian Belief.

This was published in 1988, so I look at it as a history lesson.

You may be able to find a copy at Alibris.com; that’s where I got my 2 copies. I’ll warn you, though, the cover is obscene, which I think was intentional. It is a depiction of a female corpus on the cross, created by the graddaughter of Winston Churchill. I put a post-it over mine.

Yes, here it is:
alibris.com/booksearch?binding=&mtype=&keyword=what+will+happen+to+god

I see 2 copies for $1.99 each. Snatch 'em up; send one to your favorite womyn-priest dissenter for Xmas! And remember to keep these straying sheep in your prayers.

God bless,
Mimi
 
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Why is this post in Eastern Catholicism? Will the Moderators please move it?
I third this notion.

Also, I am sorry if he is a relative of the OP, but participating in such a heretical ceremony as that is grounds for excommunication.
Count me as #4 - this has nothing to do with Eastern Catholics.

Can we get it moved?
 
From the article …
“Who are we as men to say that we are called by God to the ministry of priesthood, but women are not? That our call is valid, but theirs is not?” he said in an interview. “We profess as Catholics that the invitation to the priesthood comes from God, and it seems to me that we are tampering with the sacred."
… Maybe it has something to do with the fact that Jesus assured Peter that whatever he, and his successors held bound on earth, would be bound in heaven and then Pope John-Paul II official declared that the women can not be priests and further declared that this was to be binding on the faithful.

One would think that somebody who has been a priest for all of these years would have known & understood this better than anybody.
 
Fr. Roy Bourgeois has always walked to the beat of his own drummer. Does anyone remember when he disappeard in El Salvadore for a week or so during the cival war down there? He decided to take a walk around the jungle to see what the common folk thought about the guerrillas. Of course, I believe he should submit to the will of the Church, but I seriously doubt Fr. Bourgeois respects Church authority on the issue of women priests.
 
Fr. Roy Bourgeois has always walked to the beat of his own drummer. Does anyone remember when he disappeard in El Salvadore for a week or so during the cival war down there? He decided to take a walk around the jungle to see what the common folk thought about the guerrillas. Of course, I believe he should submit to the will of the Church, but I seriously doubt Fr. Bourgeois respects Church authority on the issue of women priests.
Obviously not, if he did what he did. Well now he follows the path of Luther, Henry VIII, and countless other heretics. If he does not repent before his death, we all no what happens.

PS. This should be moved, its important, but not to Eastern Christians.
 
I am reminded of this quote:

*“Anyone, upon whom the ecclesiastical authority, in ignorance of true facts, imposes a demand that offends his clear conscience, should perish in excommunication rather than violate his conscience.” *St. Thomas Aquinas
Certainly Aquinas was referring to anyone with any secular sense of conscience whatsoever, however misguided, based entirely upon feelings, and without heed to formation, or teaching, or understanding of Catholic doctrine.

He couldn’t possibly be referring to a correctly formed Catholic conscience. No way.

Tim
 
BTW, just a reminder, peer to peer:

if you think it is misposted, report it.
 
“Who are we as men to say that we are called by God to the ministry of priesthood, but women are not? That our call is valid, but theirs is not?” he said in an interview.
Who is he, as a priest, to question and then act on his own initiative against his own church? Was he named bishop, pope?

What a straw man.

I hope he repents… If he does not I hope that his superiors have the guts to boot him.
 
WOW - I am shocked by all the people who say - “No means no”, “Church rules are church rules”. I hate to bring this up, but it is the best example I can come up with: thank goodness we didn’t accept what our church leaders were saying when the pedophilia was happening. Or maybe we did - that’s my point. If you look at the history of the church, they HAVE made mistakes and this is a very harsh punishment for a priest who has devoted his life to not only serving God, but fighting for Social Justice and Human Rights (36 years) of others - complete strangers.

Father Roy makes very good points in his letter to Rome and his rationale is completely selfless. You need to read this before you judge anymore.

Below is the letter that Father Roy wrote to Rome.

Rev. Roy Bourgeois, M.M.
PO Box 3330, Columbus, GA 31903
November 7, 2008

TO THE CONGREGATION FOR THE DOCTRINE OF THE FAITH, THE VATICAN

I was very saddened by your letter dated October 21, 2008, giving me 30 days to recant my belief and public statements that support the ordination of women in our Church, or I will be excommunicated.

I have been a Catholic priest for 36 years and have a deep love for my Church and ministry.

When I was a young man in the military, I felt God was calling me to the priesthood. I entered Maryknoll and was ordained in 1972.

Over the years I have met a number of women in our Church who, like me, feel called by God to the priesthood. You, our Church leaders at the Vatican, tell us that women cannot be ordained.

With all due respect, I believe our Catholic Church’s teaching on this issue is wrong and does not stand up to scrutiny. A 1976 report by the Pontifical Biblical Commission supports the research of Scripture scholars, canon lawyers and many faithful Catholics who have studied and pondered the Scriptures and have concluded that there is no justification in the Bible for excluding women from the priesthood.

As people of faith, we profess that the invitation to the ministry of priesthood comes from God. We profess that God is the Source of life and created men and women of equal stature and dignity. The current Catholic Church doctrine on the ordination of women implies our loving and all-powerful God, Creator of heaven and earth, somehow cannot empower a woman to be a priest.

Women in our Church are telling us that God is calling them to the priesthood. Who are we, as men, to say to women, Our call is valid, but yours is not? Who are we to tamper with God’s call?

Sexism, like racism, is a sin. And no matter how hard or how long we may try to justify discrimination, in the end, it is always immoral.

Hundreds of Catholic churches in the U.S. are closing because of a shortage of priests. Yet there are hundreds of committed and prophetic women telling us that God is calling them to serve our Church as priests.

If we are to have a vibrant, healthy Church rooted in the teachings of our Savior, we need the faith, wisdom, experience, compassion and courage of women in the priesthood.

Conscience is very sacred. Conscience gives us a sense of right and wrong and urges us to do the right thing. Conscience is what compelled Franz Jagerstatter, a humble Austrian farmer, husband and father of four young children, to refuse to join Hitler’s army, which led to his execution. Conscience is what compelled Rosa Parks to say she could no longer sit in the back of the bus. Conscience is what compels women in our Church to say they cannot be silent and deny their call from God to the priesthood. Conscience is what compelled my dear mother and father, now 95, to always strive to do the right things as faithful Catholics raising four children. And after much prayer, reflection and discernment, it is my conscience that compels me to do the right thing. I cannot recant my belief and public statements that support the ordination of women in our Church.

Working and struggling for peace and justice are an integral part of our faith. For this reason, I speak out against the war in Iraq. And for the last eighteen years, I have been speaking out against the atrocities and suffering caused by the School of the Americas (SOA). Eight years ago, while in Rome for a conference on peace and justice, I was invited to speak about the SOA on Vatican Radio. During the interview, I stated that I could not address the injustice of the SOA and remain silent about injustice in my Church. I ended the interview by saying, ‘There will never be justice in the Catholic Church until women can be ordained.’ I remain committed to this belief today.

Having an all male clergy implies that men are worthy to be Catholic priests, but women are not.

According to USA TODAY (Feb. 28, 2008) in the United States alone, nearly 5,000 Catholic priests have sexually abused more than 12,000 children. Many bishops, aware of the abuse, remained silent. These priests and bishops were not excommunicated. Yet the women in our Church who are called by God and are ordained to serve God’s people, and the priests and bishops who support them, are excommunicated.

Silence is the voice of complicity. Therefore, I call on all Catholics, fellow priests, bishops, Pope Benedict XVI and all Church leaders at the Vatican, to speak loudly on this grave injustice of excluding women from the priesthood.

Archbishop Oscar Romero of El Salvador was assassinated because of his defense of the oppressed. He said, ‘Let those who have a voice, speak out for the voiceless.’

Our loving God has given us a voice. Let us speak clearly and boldly and walk in solidarity as Jesus would, with the women in our Church who are being called by God to the priesthood.

In Peace and Justice,
Rev. Roy Bourgeois, M.M.
PO Box 3330, Columbus, GA 31903

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sheilajaner, nice try, but no dice. Bringing up the pedophile scandal is frankly, sleazy changing of the subject. But let’s entertain it for a moment. What is the constant Church teaching on chastity? Moreover, what does this mean for the act of pedophilia? Ok, I’m being didactic. The point is ALL are called to chastity and pedophila is a grave offense against it. Covering it up is a grave offense as well, irrespective of whether churchmen can live up to it or not. But here’s the rub: why is the Church right about chastity but wrong about women priests? See, the comparison is ludicrous and you can no more blow up one part of the Deposit of Faith without blowing it all up.

P.S. Fr, Bourgeois is simply adrift at sea on what conscience is. As Fr Thomas Williams said when pointing out this error:
Many today appeal to conscience as the final arbiter of good and evil. By this view of conscience, good and evil do not exist outside of our moral judgment, but are created by it. What I sincerely judge to be good and right becomes good and right because of that judgment. Sincerity is all that matters. By this logic, it makes no sense to try to tell someone else what is good or right, even, for example, if you are the Church’s magisterium. In the end, conscience would not apply an objective moral law that stands above it, but would supplant the moral law. Conscience would trump everything.
 
The church is wrong about a lot of stuff and has said so. Clearly you know your church history. Can I bring up the Middle Ages and tithing, or is that sleazey too!?

There are so few good priests out there. Really a shame to cut this one down.
Peace OUT
 
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