Fans of Taylor Marshall: what's going on?

[Maximian]

That’s not a deception. If you ever go to court, your own lawyer will ask you your name. It’s for the benefit of those who don’t know.

However, the deception on your part to which I was referring is the suggestion that it took investigation by Lifesite to reveal Taylor Marshall’s involvement, whereas he revealed it himself.

 

[Maximian]

Cdl Ouellet the Vatican Head of the Congregation for Bishops roundly slapped it down.

In fact Cardinal Ouellet gave the appearance of slapping Vigano down while actually confirming the facts he had alleged

 

[graciew]

Same team. Same sort of lies and manipulation.
Why do you keep repeating “ Pachamama” idol? Stop to think who got this into your head and how
Guess who started this lie rolling? Wrapped up with a ribbon ready and made up,and some ran with it.
That is the sad part… and the excuses and the clapping for stealing and throwing the carvings to the Tiber. How courageous
Planned and funded and promoted.And very well aware that the guy should escape the country before the authorities found him
Neat team
It is good exercise to run… :running_woman:not disputing exercising just in case.

 

[gracepoole]

That’s not a deception. If you ever go to court, your own lawyer will ask you your name. It’s for the benefit of those who don’t know.

However, the deception on your part to which I was referring is the suggestion that it took investigation by Lifesite to reveal Taylor Marshall’s involvement, whereas he revealed it himself.

Respectfully, did you watch the first interview?

And as I noted earlier, I’m saying Marshall was guilty of a deception. That he later decided to out himself does not change that, unfortunately.

 

[Maximian]

Why do you keep repeating “ Pachamama” idol? Stop to think who got this into your head and how

I call it Pachamama because that is what the Pope called it.

Here is the link:

Pope Francis announces retrieval of indigenous statues - Vatican News

His opening sentence was “ Good afternoon. I want to say a word about the statues of the pachamama that were taken from the church of the Transpontina…”

 

[Aquinas11]

That’s not a deception.

Correct. Here’s an example of a deception

For me, it was the ties to white supremacists and racists that turned me completely off to Marshall, Gordon and a slew of other alt-Catholic figures. When Marshall compared Muslims to bugs, he lost any good faith on my part.

The Webs Connecting 'Traditionalist' Catholics and White Nationalists | Sojourners

It was Gordon (who Marshall critics are siding with here) that compared Muslims to bugs, not Marshall. Yet this slander and calumny already was read and believed by many

Wow

I’m not surprised.

This thread is just one toxic instance of slander after another.

 

[Maximian]

I’m not trying to be ugly about Taylor Marshall

Looking at the things you have said about him and the comments you have liked, you certainly give tge impression that that is actually what you are achieving.

 

[Gab123]

All those ministries are defying Pascendi, Canon Law, and Vatican 2, by defying their local bishops.

The problem is when people confuse religiosity with holiness. Individuals who think themselves holy because of their busy religious activities, not understanding that religiosity without transformation of heart simply breeds hypocrisy. Loud talkers involved in countless religious activities, yet are nothing but busybody blabbermouths who spend much of their time on earth politicizing the faith and criticizing others, easily judging and condemning bishops, popes, and even Church Councils. What’s worse, some even build personal apo$tolates establishing themselves as the virtual self-appointed saviors of the Church; yet all they accomplish is to spread confusion, slander and disobedience to legitimate authority, breeding suspicion, loss of faith and even hatred of the Holy Father. The tongue is a mighty destroyer indeed.

Here’s how Padre Pio reacted, to bring such people to their senses:

 

[gracepoole]

gracepoole:

I’m not trying to be ugly about Taylor Marshall

Looking at the things you have said about him and the comments you have liked, you certainly give tge impression that that is actually what you are achieving.

I think I’ve been clear about what I like and dislike about Marshall. I don’t see honesty as ugliness. It’s a bit strange to me that you might. But of course everyone is free to his/her own opinion.

 

[gracepoole]

This thread is just one toxic instance of slander after another.

Would you like to offer a response to the questions I posed in my initial post?

 

[TMC]

I might quibble with a point here and there in the two articles you posted, but I think they are largely correct. In particular, the evangelical movement in the US has long been more of a political movement than a theological one, and agree with the concern that movement is being imported into the Catholic church.

 

[MagdalenaRita]

Hopefully he hits rock bottom and can eventually come out of whatever is happening.

The phrase is “hope they turn around before they hit rock bottom”. Hoping that someone hits rock bottom is hoping something bad happens to them. Not something as Christians we should ever do.

 

[gracepoole]

Ultimately, if the Vatican could provide real clarity on the SSPX issue, we wouldn’t have situations like the one with Marshall and Gordon. Prelates have contradicted one another in their statements and much confusion remains.

Sadly, another aspect of this recent dust up is the disparaging of the Novus Ordo Mass that’s going on. The Gordon Brothers have been referred to as the “Novus Ordo Brothers” because they attend an NO Mass. This isn’t unity. I wish Marshall would denounce that, specifically.

 

[MagdalenaRita]

I think I’ve been clear about what I like and dislike about Marshall. I don’t see honesty as ugliness.

This thread is just one toxic instance of slander after another.

I have to say after thinking about it, it is kind of odd. This is a thread on a “Christian” forum talking about another person talking about another person and wanting others opinions of what’s wrong with that person and why he has the opinions he has.

I’m thinking there might be something more going on here.

As we have seen by some of the strong evil, attacking posts, that were deleted thankfully though remnants remain, CAF is probably not the place to ask the questions whether or not Mr. Marshall can unite the clans or ask what is the reasons for the changes in him or try to figure out who is wrong in a disagreement that doesn’t involve any of us nor do we know all of the circumstances behind it. Besides that there are many, many here who already have no love for Catholics who love Tradition and some here at CAF have even voiced dislike over those very Traditions of the Church. It is pretty apparent you are not going to get good balanced answers to these questions here. It seems to go this way with every Dr. Marshall or similar thread. I wonder if Fisheaters Forum would be a better place to ask these questions. You might get a more balanced viewpoint.

God bless

 

[Fauken]

As we have seen by some of the strong evil, attacking posts, that were deleted thankfully though remnants remain, CAF is probably not the place to go to ask the questions whether or not Mr. Marshall can unite the clans or ask what is the reasons for the changes in him or try to figure out who is wrong in a disagreement that doesn’t involve any of us.

Besides that there are many, many here who already have no love for Catholics who love Tradition and some here at CAF have even voiced dislike over those very Traditions of the Church. It is pretty apparent you are not going to get good balanced answers to these questions here.

It seems to go this way with every Dr. Marshall or similar thread. I wonder if Fisheaters Forum would be a better place to ask these questions. You might get a more balanced viewpoint.

You mean the same Fisheaters forum that makes threads like this and calls them a joke?

https://www.fisheaters.com/forums/showthread.php?tid=85432

 

[MagdalenaRita]

You mean the same Fisheaters forum that makes threads like this and calls them a joke?

What happens to the souls of Catholic Answers Forums posters when they die?

I am not saying it is a perfect place. There are no perfect places or perfect people. As I said above there are evil things and mean threads said here at CAF also. I believe she would get a better answer to her particular question regarding Dr. Marshall, traditionalists and what is happening with traditionalists at that forum. It doesn’t mean everything is perfect there. Just like everything isn’t perfect here.
I don’t intend to go back and forth showing what’s wrong with each forum.

By the way there are only like 2- 3 answers to that question, he said was a joke and this was the answer; " going to heaven"

 

[Fauken]

I am not saying it is a perfect place. There are no perfect places or perfect people. As I said above there are evil things and mean threads said here at CAF also.

There are evil and mean things said on CAF, sure, but when Fisheaters went down for days, CAF wasn’t dancing and laughing at their misfortune. As far as I know, there hasn’t been a CAF thread even jokingly questioning where the souls of people who go to Fisheaters go after death.

I believe she would get a better answer to her particular question regarding Dr. Marshall, traditionalists and what is happening there at that forum.

I disagree. I think it’ll be biased in the opposite direction. And when they find out she’s from CAF, they’ll tell her to leave this forum since we’re such horrible dumb Catholics.

 

[MagdalenaRita]

There are evil and mean things said on CAF, sure,

I disagree. I think it’ll be biased in the opposite direction. And when they find out she’s from CAF, they’ll tell her to leave this forum since we’re such horrible dumb Catholics.

That is fine. If you want to disagree. That is your right. I personally think your whole post is wrong and disagree with but I have no intention of derailing this thread into a debate about Fisheaters vs CAF.

Thanks

God bless

 

[gracepoole]

gracepoole:

I think I’ve been clear about what I like and dislike about Marshall. I don’t see honesty as ugliness.

This thread is just one toxic instance of slander after another.

I have to say after thinking about it, it is kind of odd. This is a thread on a “Christian” forum talking about another person talking about another person and wanting others opinions of what’s wrong with that person and why he has the opinions he has.

I’m thinking there might be something more going on here.

As we have seen by some of the strong evil, attacking posts, that were deleted thankfully though remnants remain, CAF is probably not the place to go to ask the questions whether or not Mr. Marshall can unite the clans or ask what is the reasons for the changes in him or try to figure out who is wrong in a disagreement that doesn’t involve any of us nor do we know all of the circumstances behind it. Besides that there are many, many here who already have no love for Catholics who love Tradition and some here at CAF have even voiced dislike over those very Traditions of the Church. It is pretty apparent you are not going to get good balanced answers to these questions here. It seems to go this way with every Dr. Marshall or similar thread. I wonder if Fisheaters Forum would be a better place to ask these questions. You might get a more balanced viewpoint.

God bless

I’m not sure what to make of this. I respect your views, Magdalena, and have enjoyed our conversations. But whenever someone on CAF asks questions about Marshall, they’re accused of gossiping. He places himself at the center of traditional Catholic media – to discuss the current landscape, one virtually has to discuss him. And ultimately, my goal here was to determine (as I said in my original post) whether he’s still a solid source and whether he genuinely wants to unite the various traditional factions. If Catholics can’t ask those questions here, perhaps we should think about why rather than suggesting they go elsewhere. I’m not sure what you want when referring to a “more balanced viewpoint.” If this means applause for the gains that Marshall has made, his Twitter feed is full of this sort of thing.

This thread is closing later today. Sadly I guess that’s a good thing, though in my mind there are many here who have raised good questions and good perspectives. I don’t think it’s these folks who make such a discussion impossible.

 

[MagdalenaRita]

Again, I was not intending to turn this into a Fisheaters vs CAF debate thread. There are lots of threads at both CAF and Fisheaters we can compare. If you choose to start a comparison debate that is your choice. Perhaps you should start a new thread. I merely made a suggestion and I am not jumping into your debate.

Again

God bless