Far right spreading false rumors blaming antifa for forest fires

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And that is true too (nobody here is saying ALL the fires were began by leftist miscreants).
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But people are basically implying that. Even the article you posted after this post implies that because some people were arrested for fires than global warming can’t be responsible.

Most of the people on this website constantly engage in some twisted logic. I don’t really believe that anyone believes in good faith that some organisation with the acronym ANTIFA are responsible for all of this stuff.
 
I don’t really believe that anyone believes in good faith that some organisation with the acronym ANTIFA . . .
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Bold mine.

And here I thought you told me before, it was NOT an “organisation”?

It is the IDEAS that these leftists instill in their fellow leftists.

It is the same PRINCIPLES of self-destructive thought and envy.

Call it whatever you want, but the article is correct.

And the Big Government envy people ARE attempting to make global warming hay out of the fires in some cases they themselves (or their “co-religionists”) have began.
 
And here I thought you told me before, it was NOT an “organisation”?
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I don’t? I think it was pretty obvious from what I wrote that I don’t believe it.
 
Donkey . . .
Notice how MSM throws this news to bottom of the heap or garbage.
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Great point! (That is exactly what they did.)

I have been noticing this kind of thing for many years and so have others (which of course is part of the reason the MSM has earned their reputation of untrustworthiness).

They tried to throw the Antifa rioting in Portland to the “bottom of the heap or garbage” too.

Rep. Jerry Nadler says Antifa violence in Portland a ‘myth’​

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In this Sept. 28, 2018, file photo, House Judiciary Committee ranking member Jerry Nadler, D-N.Y., talks to media during a Senate Judiciary Committee hearing on Capitol Hill in Washington. (Associated Press/File)

By Jessica Chasmar - The Washington Times - Monday, July 27, 2020

Rep. Jerrold Nadler declared Sunday it’s a “myth” that Antifa provocateurs are behind the ongoing violent protests in Portland, Oregon.
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Only a few fell for that too.

Less and less people are gullible enough to fall for the MSM’s evangelism to their religion of secular humanism.
 
Regular_Atheist . . .
I think it was pretty obvious from what I wrote that I don’t believe it.
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And as I have told you before. Go ahead and tell yourself that.

Despite
videos of them training with arms,
their comments,
but most importantly their ongoing actions
including organized protests at homes of those they target (including fellow leftists)
and sometimes fires there too
or other acts of intimidation
think whatever you want.

You go right ahead and think
because there is no international office,
no Roberts Rules of Order,
or no 501c3 status,
(or whatever you are thinking)
that they cannot be organized.

I think you should write Facebook and Twitter and tell them to remove Antifa
from their platforms
based upon your opinion on their non-organizational status,
therefore “antifa” is just another illicit pseudonym and how people are supposed to use their names.
See how far you get with that.
 
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I keep seeing this woman’s face and told she was arrested in relation to the fires and that she was involved in police demonstrations. Is she also a known Antifa follower? Involved in any way with that ideology?

I’m certainly know any expert on underground groups since my youth many years ago…but, is there any reliable information on how many Antifa members there are? The right tries to make me think it’s every liberal and the left tells me it’s a small fringe group…is it somewhere in the middle? Surely someone knows it’s actual size? Thanks!
 
There is no official membership list or anything, because it isn’t an organisation. There are no “members.” You could attempt to find out how many people are willing to travel to join these protests, but you will never find a list of “antifa members.”
 
Most liberals as liberals are now, would consider me “on the right”. But I have never thought Antifa to be anything more than a relatively small group of radicals loosely connected to some in the Democrat party, but not all.

But one should never underestimate the capabilities of a small revolutionary group.
 
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There is no official membership list or anything, because it isn’t an organisation. There are no “members.” You could attempt to find out how many people are willing to travel to join these protests, but you will never find a list of “antifa members.”
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I understand that…I’m just curious if there are any numbers on those that hold this ideology. From my point of view, it’s really a small number that’s getting a lot of attention. It reminds me of American Nazis…lots of press but quite small in number, too. So, I was curious. Right leaning articles make it sound like every BLM and protester is involved in Antifa ideology which I know is crap. 😂 But, are they larger than I think they are?
 
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Notice how MSM throws this news to bottom of the heap or garbage
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Breitbart?
If you are going to ignore any news except the extremists that support your world view, I guess it would seem that way. This is a mote and beam situation if I have ever seen one.
 
Regular_Atheist said:
There is no official membership list or anything, because it isn’t an organisation. There are no “members.” You could attempt to find out how many people are willing to travel to join these protests, but you will never find a list of “antifa members.”
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That is exactly what an Antifa member would tell you. Of course they are not handing out membership cards, that is just bad opsec. I have been involved in informal board gaming groups that had members coming and going with a regular group of diehards and a more or less acknowledged leader.

We can look at the results. Training, tactics, organization and equipment consistently beat disorganization. Since the police are clearly having trouble suppressing the riots, the obvious conclusion is that they have an opponent that also has training, tactics, and organization. Heck we have seen the videos and photos and the signs of coordination are obvious. Order does not arise spontaneously.
 
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PattyIt . . .
I keep seeing this woman’s face and told she was arrested in relation to the fires and that she was involved in police demonstrations. Is she also a known Antifa follower?
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I just used it because it is a convenient story. Nothing to do with this woman or anything like that.

It was a quick copy and paste so I stuck with it.

For all I know she may or may not be ANTIFA.

More may come out in the future but you will likely have to watch alternative news to find out those details you are correctly interested in.
 
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