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[mikew262]

JSmitty2005:

Are you saying that priests can not know anything about marriage simply because they’re not married? I don’t think so. They are some of the best marriage counselors.

Actually, that’s probably a matter of opinion. While a priest can be a good objective third party, and be a good source of info for the “Catholic” perspective, IMO they don’t meet the “empathy” standard. While, I might seek a priest’s opinion, I wouldn’t go to an unmarried marriage counselor. They can’t truly identify with you, unless they’ve been there themselves.

 

[brandy101]

Kendy:

But I agree. I really resent the fact that SAHM think they are so much better than working moms.

And lastly, I know children of working moms and stay at home moms and frankly, I can’t tell the difference…other than children of working moms seem to be more independent.

Kendy

Aw, gal, now don’t come down on all of us SAHMs just because we are SAHMs.

My daughter is mighty independent - she’s quite a challenge at times!

Like Orion has stated, I only worry about how my family is managed. I don’t concern myself with other families models because that is their business.

Take care!

 

[mikew262]

JSmitty2005:

To say that I can know nothing about marriage or gender roles just because I’m not married yet is what’s arrogant!

Actually, it’s called reality. You are 19 yrs old; your life has just barely begun. Reading books and observing behavior only goes so far. As I told you before, personal experience is the best knowledge builder. I know you don’t accept that now, but it’ll become clear to you as you get older.

 

[Orionthehunter]

JSmitty2005:

I’m pretty sure that this kind of thinking is opposed to Church teaching. The primary purpose of marriage is to have children. If you’re saying that even if you could have more children that you wouldn’t, then this is not Catholic teaching.

Get real. Furthermore, if you are going to accuse someone of being a heretic or dissident, you need to have your facts straight.

As a married person, when we could still have children, I was required to be open to God’s plan. I was not required to want any children. I could pray every day for God to keep my wife without child. Or I could pray every day for her to be perpetually pregnant. Both are equally ok. The sin is when we reject or refuse God’s plan.

My wife and I could have agreed that after our first child (gratefully we were blessed w/ three more) we didn’t want any more and practiced NFP to do our best for that to happen.

 

[BillyT92679]

I don’t think Kendy was coming down on mothers who stay at home. I think she was upset with what she perceives as an attitude of stay at home mothers that implied their approach was somehow morally superior to women working. I think the language she used was painted with too broad a brush though. I think most stay at home mothers do not think of themselves as more holy, though I am sure there are some sanctimonious ones as well.

 

[carol_marie]

TarAshly:

And I dont want my husband working three jobs just so I can stay at home and play June Cleaver all day.

I’ll have to remember that one next time someone asks my occupation. “I stay home and play June Cleaver all day.”

When I’m done pretending to be her… I’d really like to play Mrs. Brady. At least she had a maid.

 

[TarAshly]

Also Smitty you are 19 years old, away at college just barely getting your life started, when the real world hits its brutal and sometimes things dont always go as planned, sure your fiance may want to be a stay at home mom but what if this is not a possibility will you work three or four jobs so that she can do that? wont that deprive her of a husband and your babies of a father? you have to be open to the possiblity of change and what may take place as you grow and mature and prepare for marriage. Trust me when I got married I was 21 and thought I knew how it was going to go. My husband was going to open his insurance agency, I was only going to have to work for another year and then I could just focus on my studies and not have to work. Well we live in Texas, Houston to be exact and the hurricane season of 05 hit and the insurance industry took a HUGE slap in the face, it is a miracle he still has an agency to run and operate. So I have to work AND go to school full time but I know overall its for the greater good. I really do hope for your sake that things go as planned and as hoped for, all I am saying, as someone who has been there done that and got the T-shirt, is be prepared for when it doesnt happen.

JSmitty2005:

To say that I can know nothing about marriage or gender roles just because I’m not married yet is what’s arrogant!

 

[TarAshly]

Haha! Yea Carol had it much easier, again i apologize for the sarcastic remark ladies, no offense, my sister calls me June Cleaver all the time to poke fun at me, so it just sorta slipped! sorry!
carol marie:

I’ll have to remember that one next time someone asks my occupation. “I stay home and play June Cleaver all day.”

When I’m done pretending to be her… I’d really like to play Mrs. Brady. At least she had a maid.

 

[carol_marie]

TarAshly:

Haha! Yea Carol had it much easier, again i apologize for the sarcastic remark ladies, no offense, my sister calls me June Cleaver all the time to poke fun at me, so it just sorta slipped! sorry!

No harm, no foul.

Blessings,
CM

 

[carol_marie]

TarAshly:

Understand my point of view though, my mom was a working mother, so for you to insult working moms, is to insult my mother.

I would like to make a comment about that. I read your other post where you talked about your Mom wanting the best birthday party for you & then staying up late working so that she could provide a bike for you & your sister… Obviously her children were very important to her - she loved you & wanted you to be happy. Yet she was a working Mom.

My mother was a SAHM - never worked a day - and yet her children were NOT her priority. She wasn’t really involved in our lives much at all and I can’t recall her putting our needs or wants above hers. I love my Mother dearly - but even she would agree that she was not cut out for mothering.

So my point - one size does not fit all. I myself would never want to take a minute away from my children to work. That’s me. But do I think I’m better than you? Hopefully not… shame on me if I do. I believe what I said… kids need parents to be there for them… but your post TarAshley reminded me that just because someone is there physcially - doens’t mean they are doing a great job. And just because someone works - doesn’t mean they don’t love their children as much as I love mine or care for them as well.

Now, let us all go in peace to love & serve our Lord!

 

[JSmitty2005]

carol marie:

but your post TarAshley reminded me that just because someone is there physcially - doens’t mean they are doing a great job. And just because someone works - doesn’t mean they don’t love their children as much as I love mine or care for them as well.

These are both good points. If only all mothers could love their kids as much as TarAshley’s while simulataneously having the time to do so (like carol marie’s) without being stressed between a job and home .

 

[mikew262]

My sister-in-law, who my wife doesn’t really care for, is a SAHM. She once made a comment to my wife that she was a more traditional mother, which of course annoyed my wife, who has worked off and on throughout her “mothering” years. It was probably said as a snobbish subtle poke at my wife. Of course, my brother makes a very good income as a hospital CEO, so cash flow had never been a problem.

Point is, over the last 35 yrs, what is a “traditional” Mom? I say it’s more the “working” mom. Middle and Lower Class (I’m talking finances) parents make up the vast majority of parents in this country. The majority of those are 2 working parent households. Now prior to 1960, a case could be made for the reverse, but that’s changed.

Again, not that one type of mom is better than the other, but what is “traditional” anymore. Is that label even necessary?

 

[TarAshly]

beautiful post, thank you so much.
carol marie:

I would like to make a comment about that. I read your other post where you talked about your Mom wanting the best birthday party for you & then staying up late working so that she could provide a bike for you & your sister… Obviously her children were very important to her - she loved you & wanted you to be happy. Yet she was a working Mom.

My mother was a SAHM - never worked a day - and yet her children were NOT her priority. She wasn’t really involved in our lives much at all and I can’t recall her putting our needs or wants above hers. I love my Mother dearly - but even she would agree that she was not cut out for mothering.

So my point - one size does not fit all. I myself would never want to take a minute away from my children to work. That’s me. But do I think I’m better than you? Hopefully not… shame on me if I do. I believe what I said… kids need parents to be there for them… but your post TarAshley reminded me that just because someone is there physcially - doens’t mean they are doing a great job. And just because someone works - doesn’t mean they don’t love their children as much as I love mine or care for them as well.

Now, let us all go in peace to love & serve our Lord!

 

[JSmitty2005]

mikew262:

My sister-in-law, who my wife doesn’t really care for, is a SAHM. She once made a comment to my wife that she was a more traditional mother, which of course annoyed my wife, who has worked off and on throughout her “mothering” years. It was probably said as a snobbish subtle poke at my wife. Of course, my brother makes a very good income as a hospital CEO, so cash flow had never been a problem.

Point is, over the last 35 yrs, what is a “traditional” Mom? I say it’s more the “working” mom. Middle and Lower Class (I’m talking finances) parents make up the vast majority of parents in this country. The majority of those are 2 working parent households. Now prior to 1960, a case could be made for the reverse, but that’s changed.

Again, not that one type of mom is better than the other, but what is “traditional” anymore. Is that label even necessary?

That’s no different than the modernists that try to say that the Novus Ordo is now the “traditional” liturgy because it’s been used for “over the last 35 yrs.”

 

[mikew262]

JSmitty2005:

That’s no different than the modernists that try to say that the Novus Ordo is now the “traditional” liturgy because it’s been used for “over the last 35 yrs.”

You made my point, thanks! The Novus Ordo is now considered the traditional liturgy we use in the majority of our Catholic churches. Many Catholics under 35 know of nothing else. It has become tradition to them. I suppose it’s how you define it, and what the time element is.

 

[Kendy]

migurl:

My fiance isn’t made of money, we are just going to sacrifice things like cable television and expenisive outings. To us, having one parent at home is the ost important thing. Obviously food and shelter and insurance need to be paiid for, but so many people get their priotities mixed up and think that being a country club member is a necessity.

I would never want to be a country club member. Frankly, I think it’s a little snooty and frivolous. I also don’t want fancy jewelry, or fancy cars, but I do want to be able to send my kids to college, which could easily run into the six-figures.

Kendy

 

[Kendy]

JSmitty2005:

I agree. There’s no need to be so defensive. She’s a big girl. Plus, feminists don’t need to be defended by men. They find that offensive.

Oh JSmitty, you know me so well .

Kendy

 

[Kendy]

brandy101:

Aw, gal, now don’t come down on all of us SAHMs just because we are SAHMs.

My daughter is mighty independent - she’s quite a challenge at times!

Like Orion has stated, I only worry about how my family is managed. I don’t concern myself with other families models because that is their business.

Take care!

Sorry. I don’t mean to come down on SAHM’s. Everyone can and should teach their children to be independent. It’s just that the children of working HAVE to be a little more indepedent whereas SAHM’s have to be more conscientious about making sure that they don’t do everything for their children.

I mentioned this earlier. When my mom stayed at home, she did everything for us and proudly made us completely incompetent. But when she went back to work, we had to figure stuff out for ourselves. It was good for us, but she would have never done without the push of not having time.

Anywho, I didn’t mean to offend.

Kendy

 

[Kendy]

mikew262:

Actually, it’s called reality. You are 19 yrs old; your life has just barely begun. Reading books and observing behavior only goes so far. As I told you before, personal experience is the best knowledge builder. I know you don’t accept that now, but it’ll become clear to you as you get older.

It’s true. I used to be a know-it-all college student as well.

Kendy

 

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