First case of Ebola in the US

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When they say they are monitoring people who worked with Duncan what does that mean exactly? If she was monitored how was she able to board a commercial aircraft and fly to cleveland for the weekend?
 
jen_fla said:
*People remain infectious as long as their blood and body fluids, including semen and breast milk, contain the virus. Men who have recovered from the disease can still transmit the virus through their semen for up to 7 weeks after recovery from illness.

who.int/mediacentre/factsheets/fs103/en/*

Beyond this point they can’t detect the virus, so I think that means the body cleared it out. I don’t think it lies dormant where you will always test positive, but I’m not sure. Hopefully someone with more knowledge can post.
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Thank you. This is helpful. 👍
 
I just heard sheperd smith on Fox say 52, 000 people die annually in the u.s. from the flu. I don’t believe those statistics at all.
 
Beautiful said:
And Reuters is saying reuters.com/article/2014/10/15/us-health-ebola-usa-idUSKCN0I40UE20141015
New Texas nurse with Ebola had fever on airliner.
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Yes, I just saw they updated the link I had posted.

“Although she (Vinson) did not report any symptoms and she did not meet the fever threshold of 100.4, she did report at that time she took her temperature and found it to be 99.5,” said CDC Director Tom Frieden. Her temperature coupled with the fact that she had been exposed to the virus should have prevented her from getting on the plane, he said. “I don’t think that changes the level of risk of people around her. She did not vomit, she was not bleeding, so the level of risk of people around her would be extremely low.”

So this is the gray area we don’t know too much about and we shall see what happens to her poor fellow passengers. The CDC knows she shouldn’t have been flying, so why was she allowed to fly? Do they honestly believe people are always going to do the right thing? Some people lie and some people are just careless or uninformed. They should create a no fly list for potential carriers. The hospital in Dallas was unprepared and unequipped to handle an Ebola case. The CDC needs to have a tight rein on everyone who was not only involved with Duncan’s care, but merely present in the rooms he visisted.

This initial period is the time for overkill. Why is it, everytime I turn around, I read of more slips through the cracks.
 
7_Sorrows said:
When they say they are monitoring people who worked with Duncan what does that mean exactly? If she was monitored how was she able to board a commercial aircraft and fly to cleveland for the weekend?
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Exactly. I’m pretty angry about this. My husband travels every week for his job. This nurse KNEW she had the potential to be carrying this virus. Her employer knew. The CDC knew. How on earth did she take a weekend away? How did she board the plane at all, let alone with a 99.5? I’m furious and terrified about the next weeks as my husband will make about five or six more flights around the US. Not feeling confident in any of them right now.
 
Path_Finder said:
This is not an official medical opinion, I don’t know if this is true, disclaimer.

It’s sad, it seems to me, once someone gets ebola, even if they recover, they will still have the virus in them. I don’t know. I hope this doesn’t prevent this young nurse from ever having children or something. In this way, I guess with HIV, once you have it, you always have it.
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Yes the news are saying that she should not have traveled and are looking for the other passengers in the plane.

The CDC and all hospitals in the USA better get there act together, flu season is here if their not careful things are going to go down and fast.
 
savedbygrace71 said:
Exactly. I’m pretty angry about this. My husband travels every week for his job. This nurse KNEW she had the potential to be carrying this virus. Her employer knew. The CDC knew. How on earth did she take a weekend away? How did she board the plane at all, let alone with a 99.5? I’m furious and terrified about the next weeks as my husband will make about five or six more flights around the US. Not feeling confident in any of them right now.
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I’m sorry you are going through such a stressful time. I’m pretty mad too, mostly frustrated. We need to use our best judgment and do our own research.

If any of her co-passengers (or passengers who continued to fly before the plane was taken out of service) test positive, I think there is a very good chance the demand for closing our borders to W African citizens will finally be heeded.

I think we are seeing that voluntary quarantines are not good enough. Look at the chance this woman took who had first hand experience of a coworker testing positive. What if she broke a fever as she entered the restaurant and then paid for her food, touched the counter, door knob etc?

*"While under voluntary quarantine guidelines, which called for our team to avoid public contact for 21 days, members of our group violated those guidelines and understand that our quarantine is now mandatory until 21 days have passed. We remain healthy and our temperatures are normal.

It was reported that the veteran journalist visited a restaurant to pick up a food delivery in hew native New Jersey and the state’s health department issued a now-compulsory quarantine after a local paper reported Ms Snyderman at the restaurant.

The camera man has since posted a message on Facebook, saying how grateful he was for the support of his friends and family and that he’s unclear as to where he ‘slipped up’ and was exposed.

A 21-day incubation period is now mandatory for all those who travel to countries affected by the virus.

independent.ie/world-news/ebola/nbc-journalist-apologises-for-breaking-quarantine-after-cameraman-contracted-ebola-30662947.html*

I am glad at least these quarantines are no longer voluntary. They never should have been in the first place. However, what will be the penalty for breaking the law? Will it discourage honesty? If the 2nd nurse knew she could have been arrested for public endangerment, she might have lied about her temperature while flying. It would then be easy to imagine the CDC being lax about contacting or monitoring those passengers. Again, now is the time for overkill before we become overwhelmed.
 
savedbygrace71 said:
Exactly. I’m pretty angry about this. My husband travels every week for his job. This nurse KNEW she had the potential to be carrying this virus. Her employer knew. The CDC knew. How on earth did she take a weekend away? How did she board the plane at all, let alone with a 99.5? I’m furious and terrified about the next weeks as my husband will make about five or six more flights around the US. Not feeling confident in any of them right now.
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My daughter-in-law works in the airline industry and is pregnant right now. She flew to the midwest last week on a business trip and she and my grandson left yesterday for Pennsylvania. I did not want them to go. Now this news today! I am angry too. They said she flew back because she is planning her wedding so she obviously does not seem aware of how ebola works or didn’t realize the risk. What is the protocol for monitoring these healthcare workers? This is total incompetence!
 
Why in the world was she allowed to fly ?!! shouldn’t the healthcare workers who cared for Thomas Duncan be under quarantine for at least 21 days??
 
Vanny said:
Why in the world was she allowed to fly ?!! shouldn’t the healthcare workers who cared for Thomas Duncan be under quarantine for at least 21 days??
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Very good question, obviously proper protocols were not taken.
 
Vanny said:
Why in the world was she allowed to fly ?!! shouldn’t the healthcare workers who cared for Thomas Duncan be under quarantine for at least 21 days??
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No one knows what is going on or what to do.
They all must not be taking this seriously.
 
I think that everyone concerned bears some responsibility for this situation. First Duncan, for flying after his exposure, next the hospital for being woefully unprepared, the city and state authorities for seemingly planning on the fly, and the CDC for not having a mechanism for assessing preparedness of health facilities before any Ebola case got here, at the very least since the first patients were transported back from Liberia.

Health personnel and the public are not free of responsibility either: thousands of people dying from a disease - some literally breathing their last breath on the roadsides - and we just live life as usual, concerned with our busy lives and trivial pursuits. How could we ALL not be familiar now with the “whole body” protective gear and dressing/undressing rituals being used in Liberia? A major disaster happens and we all are stuck to the TV - what happened with Ebola? Is there a level of disengagement that we are now paying for?

The nurses union spokespeople got angry when it seemed nurses were being blamed, but where was the union to ensure that *before *any cases occurred, their members had the same level of protection that the WHO and MSF is facilitating for Liberian nurses? Where were the city’s disaster preparedness personnel and what were they doing before the need for decontamination of homes and waste disposal arose?

Ebola has been raging for MONTHS in a country where people travel to and from everyday, at the very least, there should have been preparation for the inevitable spread of this disease. It’s all well and good for the media to bash the CDC, but their own personnel have witnessed (and some have actually experienced) standard protective procedures and their use, so why no investigative reporting on what protection is or is not being made available here? Now some are asking for a czar? One czar! Whatever happened to planning, collaboration and personal responsibility?

Overconfidence and lack of preparation… An “F” to just about everyone who could have helped make the Ebola response a success. But now there is at least the hope that we’ll have learned what is lacking.
 
seekerz said:
I think that everyone concerned bears some responsibility for this situation. First Duncan, for flying after his exposure, next the hospital for being woefully unprepared, the city and state authorities for seemingly planning on the fly, and the CDC for not having a mechanism for assessing preparedness of health facilities before any Ebola case got here, at the very least since the first patients were transported back from Liberia.

Health personnel and the public are not free of responsibility either: thousands of people dying from a disease - some literally breathing their last breath on the roadsides - and we just live life as usual, concerned with our busy lives and trivial pursuits. How could we ALL not be familiar now with the “whole body” protective gear and dressing/undressing rituals being used in Liberia? A major disaster happens and we all are stuck to the TV - what happened with Ebola? Is there a level of disengagement that we are now paying for?

The nurses union spokespeople got angry when it seemed nurses were being blamed, but where was the union to ensure that *before *any cases occurred, their members had the same level of protection that the WHO and MSF is facilitating for Liberian nurses? Where were the city’s disaster preparedness personnel and what were they doing before the need for decontamination of homes and waste disposal arose?

Ebola has been raging for MONTHS in a country where people travel to and from everyday, at the very least, there should have been preparation for the inevitable spread of this disease. It’s all well and good for the media to bash the CDC, but their own personnel have witnessed (and some have actually experienced) standard protective procedures and their use, so why no investigative reporting on what protection is or is not being made available here? Now some are asking for a czar? One czar! Whatever happened to planning, collaboration and personal responsibility?

Overconfidence and lack of preparation… An “F” to just about everyone who could have helped make the Ebola response a success. But now there is at least the hope that we’ll have learned what is lacking.
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I agree. Very well said. It takes a lot of education to be a doctor and a nurse. These people aren’t stupid. Ebola has been around a long time and everyone in the medical field knows how contagious and dangerous it is. Common sense should tell them what protocol they sjould follow. The CDC director has been overconfident.
 
Thought the President said there was a slim chance of it coming here while hob-nobbing with his elitist Hollywood buddies.
 
7_Sorrows said:
I agree. Very well said. It takes a lot of education to be a doctor and a nurse. These people aren’t stupid. Ebola has been around a long time and everyone in the medical field knows how contagious and dangerous it is. Common sense should tell them what protocol they sjould follow. The CDC director has been overconfident.
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It probably has not been around for a long time but a doctor should be humble and work for people not have people work for them.Somebody at Presby hospital messed. It could of been the CEO or a MD but somebody dropped the ball.

The CDC needs to be tougher and not say we recommend this, say this has to be done and that’s it. Things can get out of control quickly.
 
Heres the deal, theyr’e are over there in another country & are possibly sick, so lets let them travel into our countries because to stop them would make matters worse because of travel restrictions, so says the CDC on Fox news:shrug: So if planes travelling from high risk countries are blocked from coming that means they won’t let us fly over there to try and help them ? BALONEY ! I keep the weeds down in my garden every year but come spring they are back up before the grass. Only way to kill a weed is at the root, only way to treat Ebola is at the source, problem is, weeds spread because they wern’t treated properly in the frist place…Lord have Mercy +++
 
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