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Frank_Drebin said:
That, or you could stick around learn to actually interpret the Gospel correctly.

Plus, this is the World News forum. Lots of politics here.

Not to mention, we are doing people a disservice by giving them awards when they do not deserve it. It reinforces their bad behavior, and could tells others that the behavior is acceptable, which can lead our fellow men into sin. We cannot as Christians do that.
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[&f=false"]St. Thomas Aquinas Catena Aurea]("http://books.google.com/books?id=b4UzAQAAMAAJ&pg=PA206&lpg=PA206&dq=Gloss.+ord.:+They+who+stand+against+the+Church+oppose+her+in+three+ways;+with+hate,+with+words,+and+with+bodily+tortures.+The+Church+on+the+other+hand+loves+them,+as+it+is+here,+“Love+your+enemies;”+does+good+to+them,+as+it+is,+“Do+good+to+them+that+hate+you;”+and+prays+for+them,+as+it+is,+"Pray+for+them+that+persecute+you+and+accuse+you+falsely."Jerome:+Many+measuring+the+commandments+of+God+by+their+own+weakness,+not+by+the+strength+of+the+saints,+hold+these+commands+for+impossible,+and+say+that+it+is+virtue+enough+not+to+hate+our+enemies;+but+to+love+them+is+a+command+beyond+human+nature+to+obey.+But+it+must+be+understood+that+Christ+enjoins+not+impossibilities+but+perfection.+Such+was+the+temper+of+David+towards+Saul+and+Absalom;+the+Martyr+Stephen+also+prayed+for+his+enemies+while+they+stoned+him,+and+Paul+wished+himself+anathema+for+the+sake+of+his+persecutors.+[Rom+9:3)
Gloss. ord.: They who stand against the Church oppose her in three ways; with hate, with words, and with bodily tortures. The Church on the other hand loves them, as it is here, “Love your enemies;” does good to them, as it is, “Do good to them that hate you;” and prays for them, as it is, "Pray for them that persecute you and accuse you falsely."Jerome: Many measuring the commandments of God by their own weakness, not by the strength of the saints, hold these commands for impossible, and say that it is virtue enough not to hate our enemies; but to love them is a command beyond human nature to obey. But it must be understood that Christ enjoins not impossibilities but perfection. Such was the temper of David towards Saul and Absalom; the Martyr Stephen also prayed for his enemies while they stoned him, and Paul wished himself anathema for the sake of his persecutors. [Rom_9:3] Jesus both taught and did the same, saying, “Father, forgive them, for they know not what they do.” [Luk_23:34]
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Prodigal_Son1 said:
[&f=false"]St. Thomas Aquinas Catena Aurea]("http://books.google.com/books?id=b4UzAQAAMAAJ&pg=PA206&lpg=PA206&dq=Gloss.+ord.:+They+who+stand+against+the+Church+oppose+her+in+three+ways;+with+hate,+with+words,+and+with+bodily+tortures.+The+Church+on+the+other+hand+loves+them,+as+it+is+here,+“Love+your+enemies;”+does+good+to+them,+as+it+is,+“Do+good+to+them+that+hate+you;”+and+prays+for+them,+as+it+is,+"Pray+for+them+that+persecute+you+and+accuse+you+falsely."Jerome:+Many+measuring+the+commandments+of+God+by+their+own+weakness,+not+by+the+strength+of+the+saints,+hold+these+commands+for+impossible,+and+say+that+it+is+virtue+enough+not+to+hate+our+enemies;+but+to+love+them+is+a+command+beyond+human+nature+to+obey.+But+it+must+be+understood+that+Christ+enjoins+not+impossibilities+but+perfection.+Such+was+the+temper+of+David+towards+Saul+and+Absalom;+the+Martyr+Stephen+also+prayed+for+his+enemies+while+they+stoned+him,+and+Paul+wished+himself+anathema+for+the+sake+of+his+persecutors.+[Rom+9:3)
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I was just talking about the “Father, forgive them” example in my religion class today. Thanks for bringing it to our attention.
 
Prodigal_Son1 said:
I never heard love qualified by Christ. I always understood it as ‘unconditional.’ If they ask a mile, go two.
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Perhaps this will help you:
The Summa Theologica
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Article 1. Whether fraternal correction is an act of charity?
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"The correction of the wrongdoer is a remedy which should be employed against a man’s sin. Now a man’s sin may be considered in two ways, first as being harmful to the sinner, secondly as conducing to the harm of others, by hurting or scandalizing them, or by being detrimental to the common good, the justice of which is disturbed by that man’s sin.
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Consequently the correction of a wrongdoer is twofold, one which applies a remedy to the sin considered as an evil of the sinner himself. This is fraternal correction properly so called, which is directed to the amendment of the sinner. Now to do away with anyone’s evil is the same as to procure his good: and to procure a person’s good is an act of charity, whereby we wish and do our friend well. Consequently fraternal correction also is an act of charity, because thereby we drive out our brother’s evil, viz. sin, the removal of which pertains to charity rather than the removal of an external loss, or of a bodily injury, in so much as the contrary good of virtue is more akin to charity than the good of the body or of external things. Therefore fraternal correction is an act of charity rather than the healing of a bodily infirmity, or the relieving of an external bodily need. There is another correction which applies a remedy to the sin of the wrongdoer, considered as hurtful to others, and especially to the common good. This correction is an act of justice, whose concern it is to safeguard the rectitude of justice between one man and another."
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-St Thomas Aquinas
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Prodigal_Son1 said:
I never heard love qualified by Christ. I always understood it as ‘unconditional.’ If they ask a mile, go two.
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Really?

What Bible are you reading?
“Whatever town or village you enter, look for a worthy person in it, and stay there until you leave. As you enter a house, wish it peace. If the house is worthy, let your peace come upon it; if not, let your peace return to you.Whoever will not receive you or listen to your words—go outside that house or town and shake the dust from your feet. Amen, I say to you, it will be more tolerable for the land of Sodom and Gomorrah on the day of judgment than for that town.” - Matthew 10:11-15
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And:
“Whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in me to sin, it would be better for him to have a great millstone hung around his neck and to be drowned in the depths of the sea. Woe to the world because of things that cause sin! Such things must come, but woe to the one through whom they come! If your hand or foot causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to enter into life maimed or crippled than with two hands or two feet to be thrown into eternal fire. And if your eye causes you to sin, tear it out and throw it away. It is better for you to enter into life with one eye than with two eyes to be thrown into fiery Gehenna." - Matthew 18:6-9
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Was Christ speaking out of love?

Was He stating conditions?
 
Cor_Cordis said:
Perhaps this will help you:
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Can you not see that applies to those considered ‘brothers’ and not necessarily ‘enemies?’ I certainly don’t see the two postings, your’s and mine, contradicting each other. Notice the quote I used starts, ‘They who stand against the Church oppose her in three ways; with hate, with words, and with bodily tortures.’ From there it goes on to say, ‘The Church on the other hand loves them, as it is here, “Love your enemies;” does good to them, as it is, “Do good to them that hate you;” and prays for them, as it is, "Pray for them that persecute you and accuse you falsely.’

Then he borrows from Jerome, ‘Many measuring the commandments of God by their own weakness, not by the strength of the saints, hold these commands for impossible, and say that it is virtue enough not to hate our enemies; but to love them is a command beyond human nature to obey. But it must be understood that Christ enjoins not impossibilities but perfection.’
Such was the temper of David towards Saul and Absalom; the Martyr Stephen also prayed for his enemies while they stoned him, and Paul wished himself anathema for the sake of his persecutors. [Rom_9:3] Jesus both taught and did the same, saying, “Father, forgive them, for they know not what they do.” [Luk_23:34]
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Cor_Cordis said:
Really?

What Bible are you reading?

And:

Was Christ speaking out of love?

Was He stating conditions?
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The Douay-Rheims is my favorite version, but I also read, for comparisons, two Aramaic to English translations, two King James Versions, the RSV, The Greek New Testament Interlinear, the Vulgate, and for the Old Testament I occasionally refer to the Septuagint with Strong’s numbers.

I would not suggest that Christ’s teachings contradict one another. You have to read a verse in light of the passage, the passage in light of the chapter, the chapter in light of book, the book in light of the Testament, and the Testament in light of the other Testament.

When I have questions, I look to see if the Church has an ‘official’ interpretation in the Catechism. I will also look to the early Church fathers, up to the men of the Church of present times.

When Christ commands us to love one another, as He loves us, it’s unconditional. Remember, He also taught us to pray, ‘forgive us our trespasses, as we forgive those who trespass against us.’
 
Exordium1003 said:
I’m so Catholic it’s not even funny. You don’t want to go into my bona fides at this site.
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No - it’s not funny.

“The test of a good religion is whether or not it can laugh at itself.” - G.K.Chesterton

Are you actually boasting about the severity of your Catholicism?

Really?

“Angels can fly because they take themselves lightly.” - G.K.Chesterton
 
Prodigal_Son1 said:
The Douay-Rheims is my favorite version, but I also read, for comparisons, two Aramaic to English translations, two King James Versions, the RSV, The Greek New Testament Interlinear, the Vulgate, and for the Old Testament I occasionally refer to the Septuagint with Strong’s numbers.

I would not suggest that Christ’s teachings contradict one another. You have to read a verse in light of the passage, the passage in light of the chapter, the chapter in light of book, the book in light of the Testament, and the Testament in light of the other Testament.

When I have questions, I look to see if the Church has an ‘official’ interpretation in the Catechism. I will also look to the early Church fathers, up to the men of the Church of present times.

When Christ commands us to love one another, as He loves us, it’s unconditional. Remember, He also taught us to pray, ‘forgive us our trespasses, as we forgive those who trespass against us.’
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I was actually quoting from the Catholic Bible at the USCCB.👍
 
Cor_Cordis said:
No - it’s not funny.

“The test of a good religion is whether or not it can laugh at itself.” - G.K.Chesterton

Are you actually boasting about the severity of your Catholicism?

Really?

“Angels can fly because they take themselves lightly.” - G.K.Chesterton
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Yes, I have read Chesterton, too. What’s your point?
 
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