Five Non-Negotiable Positions Ignore Crimes against Humanity

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sweetchuck:
I doubt anything could ever “cheapen” either one. Both, along with liberal Stalin’s slaughtering, are among the worst evils the world has ever seen. Genocide vs. mass slaughter vs. infanticide…they all lie on the same “axis of evil.”
Of course – but those who tolerate the killing of tens of millions children don’t WANT you comparing it to things like Stalin’s Collectivization Famine, the genocide of the Armenians in 1915, the Holocaust, the Killing Fields of Cambodia, and so on.

It might make people understand how horrible and grisly a crime is being committed every day in the United States.
 
vern humphrey:
The Church has clearly said that just wars can be waged. It has also clearly said the aboriton is wrong, in every place and every time.
But she has not said unjust wars can be waged. Unjust wars, like procured abortion, is wrong, in every place and every time.
 
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Lisa4Catholics:
Katherine:mad: You know what I meant
If you meant something different than you post I would suggest you either choose your words better or you be less judgemental of others.
ABORTION TRUMPS THE WAR
No it doesn’t. Nothing trumps anything. Abortion doesn’t trump adultery, nor does theft trump homosexuality nor dishonoring one’s parents trump rape. Its all wrong. Stop playing silly games with a every so slightly hidden political agenda.
I do no think any life is miniscule
thank you for withdrawing your previous, ill-crafted statement.
 
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katherine2:
If you meant something different than you post I would suggest you either choose your words better or you be less judgemental of others.

No it doesn’t. Nothing trumps anything. Abortion doesn’t trump adultery, nor does theft trump homosexuality nor dishonoring one’s parents trump rape. Its all wrong. Stop playing silly games with a every so slightly hidden political agenda.

thank you for withdrawing your previous, ill-crafted statement.
4,000 unborn deaths a day is evil to the nth degree,I make no apologies for that judgement.I am not playing silly games:mad: I hardly call the tradgedy of abortion a political agenda:tsktsk: As usual you twist the post into what you want it to say:rolleyes: God Bless
 
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katherine2:
No it doesn’t. Nothing trumps anything. Abortion doesn’t trump adultery, nor does theft trump homosexuality nor dishonoring one’s parents trump rape. Its all wrong. Stop playing silly games with a every so slightly hidden political agenda.
Despite what Cafeteria Catholics would have us believe, abortion does trump all other issues. Abortion is always wrong. To say we can support the killing of tens of million innocent children by picking some other cause is simply sophistry and rationalization.
 
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katherine2:
But she has not said unjust wars can be waged. Unjust wars, like procured abortion, is wrong, in every place and every time.
You labeling this way as “unjust” is simply a pretense – a fig leaf to hide behind and cover your support of those who push the ulitmate immorality
 
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katherine2:
Nothing trumps anything. Abortion doesn’t trump adultery, nor does theft trump homosexuality nor dishonoring one’s parents trump rape. Its all wrong. Stop playing silly games with a every so slightly hidden political agenda.
Actually, you are undeniably wrong. Your post contradicts millenia of Church teachings. That is a very Protestant line of thinking, that sin is sin and all sins are equal. All sins at the very least wound our relationship with God, but some extinguish it entirely and lead to spiritual death. Theft, though wrong, can be diminished in culpability when other factors are present, such as extreme hunger. Read this section of the Catechism for an explanation on the gravity of sins. I would recommend you read all of Article 8, of Part III, Section 1, Chapter 1, but at the very least, just roman numeral IV:

vatican.va/archive/ENG0015/__P6C.HTM
 
vern humphrey:
Despite what Cafeteria Catholics would have us believe, abortion does trump all other issues. Abortion is always wrong. To say we can support the killing of tens of million innocent children by picking some other cause is simply sophistry and rationalization.
The evil of no action allows one to call a different evil, good. It makes no difference if the other evil is a greater or lesser evil. And people who deny that all evil is evil are the ones guilty of rationalization.
 
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sweetchuck:
Actually, you are undeniably wrong. Your post contradicts millenia of Church teachings. That is a very Protestant line of thinking, that sin is sin and all sins are equal. All sins at the very least wound our relationship with God, but some extinguish it entirely and lead to spiritual death. Theft, though wrong, can be diminished in culpability when other factors are present, such as extreme hunger. Read this section of the Catechism for an explanation on the gravity of sins. I would recommend you read all of Article 8, of Part III, Section 1, Chapter 1, but at the very least, just roman numeral IV:
I’ve read it. Its supports my position. You are undeniably wrong and you deny the Church’s teachings. But thank you for your concern.
 
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katherine2:
The evil of no action allows one to call a different evil, good. It makes no difference if the other evil is a greater or lesser evil. And people who deny that all evil is evil are the ones guilty of rationalization.
Okay. I have a headache now trying to follow this.
 
vern humphrey:
Of course – but those who tolerate the killing of tens of millions children don’t WANT you comparing it to things like Stalin’s Collectivization Famine, the genocide of the Armenians in 1915, the Holocaust, the Killing Fields of Cambodia, and so on.

It might make people understand how horrible and grisly a crime is being committed every day in the United States.
That’s exactly right. The irony is that people who rightfully want us to remember the horror of the Holocaust, very often are the same ones who deny there is anything wrong with abortion.
 
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pnewton:
Okay. I have a headache now trying to follow this.
That is a diversion tactic,that you have observed that is intent on skirting the issue.God Bless:D
 
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katherine2:
Not so clear thinking that they can figure out how to present their opinions without the help of focused groups funded by Republican political operatives.
If you can’t progress your argument on logical assertion and facts, by all means resort to condescending characterization, and add a little bit of conspiracy theory to obfuscate, ehhhh? :ehh:
 
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felra:
If you can’t progress your argument on logical assertion and facts, by all means resort to condescending characterization, ehhhh? :ehh:
:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: God Bless
 
The asprin has kicked in.

I have a new suggestion for the forum rules:

Never post a sentence you can not diagram, or contains more than five uses of the word evil per paragraph.
 
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pnewton:
The asprin has kicked in.

I have a new suggestion for the forum rules:

Never post a sentence you can not diagram, or contains more than five uses of the word evil per paragraph.
:clapping: :rotfl: :whistle: God Bless
 
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katherine2:
The evil of no action allows one to call a different evil, good. It makes no difference if the other evil is a greater or lesser evil. And people who deny that all evil is evil are the ones guilty of rationalization.
This is an extremely complex way to say that you are right. What about all the Iraqis that were starving and dying under Saddam Hussain? Did their lives not count for you? As do the 4000 children that die everyday in this country don’t count for you? All so you can support you agenda to tear down the Church with your rationalization, this seamless garment mentality, that allows people to ignore socially unexceptable debates (like abortion) in favor of a more socially acceptable one like picketing a military base.
 
Tyler Smedley:
This is an extremely complex way to say that you are right. What about all the Iraqis that were starving and dying under Saddam Hussain? Did their lives not count for you? As do the 4000 children that die everyday in this country don’t count for you? All so you can support you agenda to tear down the Church with your rationalization, this seamless garment mentality, that allows people to ignore socially unexceptable debates (like abortion) in favor of a more socially acceptable one like picketing a military base.
I fully support the Catholic Church across the board in her pubic policy positions. It seems it is others who pick and choose issue by issue that they stand with the Church with or not. I don’t ignore any issue the Church has spoken on. But we have a number of people here who do any offer various rationalizations.
 
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katherine2:
I fully support the Catholic Church across the board in her pubic policy positions. It seems it is others who pick and choose issue by issue that they stand with the Church with or not. I don’t ignore any issue the Church has spoken on. But we have a number of people here who do any offer various rationalizations.
Abortion is a modern day holocaust not a public policy.And it is one that will never be declared just like wars can be declared just.So exactly who is rationalizing Katherine?God Bless
 
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Lisa4Catholics:
Abortion is a modern day holocaust not a public policy.And it is one that will never be declared just like wars can be declared just.So exactly who is rationalizing Katherine?God Bless
Wrong Lisa, the world is full of people who look at evil and declare it “just”. Some declare the injustice of abortion to be “just” and some declare unjust wars to be just.

Its quite clear to me who is rationizing. I pray for you.
 
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