Fla.'s 'Father Oprah' joins Episcopal Church

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I don’t know how he can walk away from the Blessed Sacrament? I would try to join one of the Eastern rights so I could still say mass, if they would have me, were I in is shoes, which thank God I am not…I

I question the fact that he was so uncouth he groped this woman on a public beach, in broad daylight, right around the corner so to speak, from his parish…That is so tacky how old is he?
 
I don’t know how he can walk away from the Blessed Sacrament? I would try to join one of the Eastern rights so I could still say mass, if they would have me, were I in is shoes, which thank God I am not…I

I question the fact that he was so uncouth he groped this woman on a public beach, in broad daylight, right around the corner so to speak, from his parish…That is so tacky how old is he?
Even if Father Albert joined one of the Eastern Rites or became an Orthodox, he cannot get married. The rule of the Church is that you must be married before you are ordained a deacon. Once you are ordained, you cannot get married.

This rule is observed by Eastern Catholics and Orthodox Christians, because both have apostolic succession. The tradition from the apostles was that those apostles who were married were those who married before they were ordained. No one could marry after ordination.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF 🙂

PS A suspended priest can celebrate mass, but it’s ilicit. Nonetheless, it is valid. Look at the SSPX. Their celebration of the Eucharist is valid. A suspended priest cannot validly witness marriages or absolve, because he has no faculties. You do not need faculties to celebrate mass.
 
He might swim the Thames if he wants to remain a clergyman then…I would have a very hard time getting my head around the things they allow and the things I would be giving up

I am a hard core Catholic and could never be anything else, it would never work for me

It makes me wonder how much of our faith he actually believes in…Being a priest is more than just a job…
 
He might swim the Thames if he wants to remain a clergyman then…I would have a very hard time getting my head around the things they allow and the things I would be giving up

I am a hard core Catholic and could never be anything else, it would never work for me

It makes me wonder how much of our faith he actually believes in…Being a priest is more than just a job…
I don’t judge his faith. I do question his judgment.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF 🙂
 
Even if Father Albert joined one of the Eastern Rites or became an Orthodox, he cannot get married. The rule of the Church is that you must be married before you are ordained a deacon. Once you are ordained, you cannot get married.

This rule is observed by Eastern Catholics and Orthodox Christians, because both have apostolic succession. The tradition from the apostles was that those apostles who were married were those who married before they were ordained. No one could marry after ordination.
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There is a loophole that you are overlooking and that is that a few of the Orthodox Churches do not recognise the Catholic ordination or even the Catholic baptism. So the priest could marry and technically since he would not be ordained yet, according to some of these Churches, he could then apply for ordination within that Orthodox Church.
 
There is a loophole that you are overlooking and that is that a few of the Orthodox Churches do not recognise the Catholic ordination or even the Catholic baptism. So the priest could marry and technically since he would not be ordained yet, according to some of these Churches, he could then apply for ordination within that Orthodox Church.
Exactly. And one of these Churches is the Coptic Orthodox Church. I know that when a good friend of mine converted to the Coptic Church, since her baptism in the Catholic Church was not recognized by them she had to be baptized again by full immersion.
 
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MIAMI — A popular Miami priest and media personality known as “Father Oprah” has left the Catholic Church and joined the Episcopal Church after he was photographed cavorting on the beach with his girlfriend.

He was received into Episcopal Church in a ceremony Thursday at Trinity Cathedral and may later announce he will marry his girlfriend, which is allowed in that denomination. He must complete other requirements before serving as an Episcopal priest.
“I thank God for the many people in our community who have shown me their love and support,” Cutie said in a statement Thursday. “Your prayers have truly sustained me at this time of transition in my life. With God’s help, I hope to continue priestly ministry and service in my new spiritual home.”

I wonder if Fr.Cutie had a spiritual director who helped him to make this decision. If he did, God help him/her and have mercy on this confused man.
 
A COUPLE OF RANDOM THOUGHTS
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 One of my dreams in life is to see **serious reconciliation among Christians**. This doesn't mean agreement in all matters. Protestants certainly are not about to demand celibacy by its clergy, for example, nor are they going accept such teachings of the RC Church as the sinless life of Mary ("all have sinned and fallen short" Romans 3:23). But this doesn't mean that we can't regard one another as fellow Christians and have a genuine respect for those who differ from us. Among Protestants, Methodists differ from Congregationalists, but in Canada and Australia and elsewhere the two have set aside such differences and united into one Church (e. g., United Church of Canada). Frankly, I don't believe any of us knows that much in this vast universe of maybe a million or even a billion solar systems like our own. We are called upon to walk by faith and not by knowledge. Humility is important. This whole emphasis on "one true Church" alienates. If we believe our church is such, okay, but dogmatic boasting is unseemly. AZctually, I don't believe my Church is the "one true church". I believe that many roads can lead us to God. I know this offends most posters here, but so be it.

  The RCC is a great institution. I attended the Papal Mass a year ago at Yankee Stadium and was much impressed by the vigor the Benedict XVI and the organizational talent that went into the Mass. I admire the work of the RCC in such areas as health, education and helping the poor. **But it has a hangup - well, some parts of it do - when it ****comes to sex.** Sex is a God-given impulse and blessing. And it should be viewed in the context of love of the male for the female and vice versa. The celibacy requirement among the RCC clergy and religious is at best antiquated, at worse in conflict with God's design. I know a great Catholic priest. He and the principal of his parochial school fell in love after she lost her husband (she came to him for counseling). They married. I think that's great and congratulated him on his marriage. He became a leper among certain Catholics who castigated him sharply for breaking his vows. 

  One other thought - to change our direction a bit. I was discussing the sex problem in the RCC with a devout Catholic recently. She had an interesting take on the widespread abuse of altar boys and and other teenage males. She believes that the **Catholic clergy attracts an unusual ****high percentage of gays. **Why? One reason is that it serves as a good cover for their homosexuality. People don't wonder why they didn't marry. Another reason is that they hope that being a priest will help gain them respect as well as help deter or free them from the burden and dangers of their genetic same-sex attraction. A third reason: the pomp and ceremony of Catholicism, with its ornate vestments (dresses) and such, can have a special appeal to the feminine side of gay males. 

  **I wish Fr. Cutie happiness**, and if he marries may be and his wife enjoy marital bliss. He's human like the rest of us. A good marriage is a wonderful thing. As a widower myself, I know, and I miss it very much. In any case, I suggest that we don't judge him. Let God do that. As I recall we ask God to forgive us our sins as we forgive others.... That's one of the main virtues of our faith - its emphasis on forgiveness. Let Fr. Cutie work this out with God. We all make mistakes, and to be holier-than-thou is inappropriate and against the teachings and example of Christ. He spent a lot of time with sinners and was sharply assailed because of it.
 
Even if Father Albert joined one of the Eastern Rites or became an Orthodox, he cannot get married. The rule of the Church is that you must be married before you are ordained a deacon. Once you are ordained, you cannot get married.

This rule is observed by Eastern Catholics and Orthodox Christians, because both have apostolic succession. The tradition from the apostles was that those apostles who were married were those who married before they were ordained. No one could marry after ordination.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF 🙂

PS A suspended priest can celebrate mass, but it’s ilicit. Nonetheless, it is valid. Look at the SSPX. Their celebration of the Eucharist is valid. A suspended priest cannot validly witness marriages or absolve, because he has no faculties. You do not need faculties to celebrate mass.
Then in this paraticular casse it appears he has chosen marriage over Jesus and the Eucharist? Rather than choosing BOTH marriage and Jesus had he asked the Church to dispense him from his priestly office.
 
for example, nor are they going accept such teachings of the RC Church as the sinless life of Mary (“all have sinned and fallen short” Romans 3:23). .
Have all people committed actual sins? Consider a child below the age of reason. By definition he can’t sin, since sinning requires the ability to reason and the ability to intend to sin. This is indicated by Paul later in the letter to the Romans when he speaks of the time when Jacob and Esau were unborn babies as a time when they “had done nothing either good or bad” (Rom. 9:11).

We also know of another very prominent exception to the rule: Jesus (Heb. 4:15). So if Paul’s statement in Romans 3 includes an exception for the New Adam (Jesus), one may argue that an exception for the New Eve (Virgin Mary) can also be made.
 
I have to admit that I never heard of him until ‘the scandal’ hit. My impression was that he was some orthodox priest. But the more I consider his nickname ‘Father Oprah’, well, what should that have told me.

I still don’t know how one can just jump ship like that. Either you believe it or you don’t. And if you don’t, this shouldn’t be coming out of the blue. How does one go from believing to denying transubstantiation?
 
Most Episcopalians do believe in the Real Presence. I used to go to a parish (during an Episcopalian phase) that had a Sacrarium and weekly Adoration. That would seem to imply a belief in the Real Presence.

Now granted, some parishes don’t believe in it. It is considered adiophora by the Church (something that one may believe but is not incumbent on all faithful to believe).

One of the 39 Articles specifically decries the belief, but it’s been a long time since they meant anything (if ever) to the Episcopal Church.

I see this as being helpful to the Episcopal Church. It has been for too long a Church having a severe lack of presence in the Spanish speaking communities. Perhaps Fr. Cutie can help remediate that.
 
The opening part of an article from MSNBC today:

MIAMI - A popular Miami priest and media personality known as “Father Oprah” has left the Catholic Church to become an Anglican after he was photographed cavorting on the beach with his girlfriend.

The Rev. Alberto Cutié was removed from his Miami Beach church after photos of him kissing and embracing a woman appeared in the pages of a Spanish-language magazine earlier this month.

He was received into the Episcopal Church, the U.S. branch of the Anglican Communion, in a ceremony Thursday at Trinity Cathedral and may later announce he will marry his girlfriend, which is allowed in that denomination. He must complete other requirements before serving as an Episcopal priest.
 
The opening part of an article from MSNBC today:

MIAMI - A popular Miami priest and media personality known as “Father Oprah” has left the Catholic Church to become an Anglican after he was photographed cavorting on the beach with his girlfriend.

The Rev. Alberto Cutié was removed from his Miami Beach church after photos of him kissing and embracing a woman appeared in the pages of a Spanish-language magazine earlier this month.

He was received into the Episcopal Church, the U.S. branch of the Anglican Communion, in a ceremony Thursday at Trinity Cathedral and may later announce he will marry his girlfriend, which is allowed in that denomination. He must complete other requirements before serving as an Episcopal priest.
It’s sad that he lied and made the choices he did but I say good riddens. :mad:
 
Well, obviously…the Episcopal Church is such a free for all these days, a heterosexual priest running his hands down the shorts of his girlfriend in a public place would be, by comparision to some of the things that “church” has bought into, absolutely puritanical.

God help him. Someone needs to tell Fr. Cutie, “Look, it’s either true or it isn’t.”
 
Most Episcopalians do believe in the Real Presence. I used to go to a parish (during an Episcopalian phase) that had a Sacrarium and weekly Adoration. That would seem to imply a belief in the Real Presence.

Now granted, some parishes don’t believe in it. It is considered adiophora by the Church (something that one may believe but is not incumbent on all faithful to believe).

One of the 39 Articles specifically decries the belief, but it’s been a long time since they meant anything (if ever) to the Episcopal Church.

I see this as being helpful to the Episcopal Church. It has been for too long a Church having a severe lack of presence in the Spanish speaking communities. Perhaps Fr. Cutie can help remediate that.
The Episcopalians/Anglican Communion do not constitute a church, as defined by Dominus Iesus, the monumental document issued by the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith under then-Joseph Cardinal Ratzinger. They are ecclesial communities.

With all due respect, while they may claim to have adoration and a sacrarium, it is all for naught since the ordinations of the Anglican Communion/Episocopal ecclesial communities are not valid. The Church does not recognize them and has not for generations. Thus, they do not have the Real Presence because only a validly ordained priest can confect the Sacrament. The only valid sacrament that the ecclesial communities have is Baptism so long as they follow the correct Trinitarian formula and use water.

Fr. Cutie, unfortunately, has made his choice and that is not going to remedy anything. I am reminded of what then-Cardinal Ratzinger wrote in the 9th station (the meditations for the Stations of the Cross that he composed at the request of Pope John Paul II back in 2005):
What can the third fall of Jesus under the Cross say to us? We have considered the fall of man in general, and the falling of many Christians away from Christ and into a godless secularism. Should we not also think of how much Christ suffers in his own Church? How often is the holy sacrament of his Presence abused, how often must he enter empty and evil hearts! How often do we celebrate only ourselves, without even realizing that he is there! How often is his Word twisted and misused! What little faith is present behind so many theories, so many empty words! How much filth there is in the Church, and even among those who, in the priesthood, ought to belong entirely to him! How much pride, how much self-complacency! What little respect we pay to the Sacrament of Reconciliation, where he waits for us, ready to raise us up whenever we fall! All this is present in his Passion. His betrayal by his disciples, their unworthy reception of his Body and Blood, is certainly the greatest suffering endured by the Redeemer; it pierces his heart. We can only call to him from the depths of our hearts: Kyrie eleison * Lord, save us (cf. Mt 8: 25).
This certainly applies in the case of Fr. Cutie, especially what is listed in bold-faced type.
 
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