Florida Legislature and Pornography

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ProdglArchitect said:
I have been actively trying to stop using pornography for five years. I attend group meetings, go to confession frequently, try to pray and do holy reading, and yet despite all that it still takes next to nothing implant thoughts in my mind that drive me to look again.
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There is still the possibility that one day you can overcome it. When a person is murdered, that’s that.
 
There seems to be an underlying assumption in many responses that a harmful or degrading act can be made right by the free choice of the individual. We see it not just here. It is reflected in the attitudes and laws of our society. However, neither consensus nor civil law makes it good or right.
 
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See also this (loosely) related topic:
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TheAmazingGrace said:
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ProdglArchitect:
I have been actively trying to stop using pornography for five years. I attend group meetings, go to confession frequently, try to pray and do holy reading, and yet despite all that it still takes next to nothing implant thoughts in my mind that drive me to look again.
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There is still the possibility that one day you can overcome it. When a person is murdered, that’s that.
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The capacity to overcome something doesn’t mean it doesn’t destroy lives. I know men who’ve lost jobs and families due to their addiction to pornography. The man who leads our group told us about a friend of his who started out looking at softcore pornography, but who eventually wound up being arrested for possessing child pornography. I’m fortunate, my wife is very understanding and is doing what she can to help me. I’m one of the only people in my group who can say that. Two men have lost wives, another almost did. I am fortunate.

As with pretty much all drugs, you eventually start needing hard and harder stimulants to evoke the same high. This path is very prevalent in pornography, with people starting with softcore porn like playboy or “late-night movies”, and eventually seeking out more and more hardcore material.

Porn destroys lives. Just because not everyone gets addicted to it doesn’t mean it’s not an issue in need of attention. Not everyone gets addicted to opioids, but that doesn’t make the opioid abuse epidemic any less real.

The issue here is that you’re trying to pit the two problems against each other. That’s misguided, ineffective, and unnecessary. Just because something has been done / said about one problem doesn’t mean that the other problems are being ignored.
 
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Saxum said:
It’s a waste of time. They can’t stop porn unless they ban the internet
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I think first amendment prevents them from being able to do an outright band anyway. I’m not sure what is to be accomplished with this bill. Perhaps it will allow funds to be allocated for an anti-porn advertisement (campaign)
TheAmazingGrace said:
Ever heard of the deep web?
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I don’t think one needs to go very deep. There’s plenty of porn to be found on twitter among other sources. Also online content is hosted in geographically diverse environments. I don’t see Florida legislation doing much to stop someone from hosting content outside of Florida.
 
Yes, but young people can be educated of the scientific and proven bad effects of pornography.
 
TheAmazingGrace said:
And you know this…how?
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Private revelation suggest this. The sheer number of porn users versus the number of murders. You do raise the issue of abortion which certainly increases the number of murders substantially since it is the most common form.
TheAmazingGrace said:
If that’s the case, why make such a fuss over abortion?
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Because I and the Church believe murder is a grave evil.
RandomAlias said:
There seems to be an underlying assumption in many responses that a harmful or degrading act can be made right by the free choice of the individual. We see it not just here. It is reflected in the attitudes and laws of our society. However, neither consensus nor civil law makes it good or right.
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A problem in our time is that morality has been reduced to whether we freely choose an act. Of course even though that is put forth as the single consideration for morality it isn’t followed. There is no consistency in its application. Rather it is simply employed to justify sexual license. Sticking with the lightbulb the same people who say they can do what they want in their bedroom insist I not use an incandescent light in mine.
 
That’s a matter of opinion, not fact.

The fact is, pornography affects more people, and destroys more lives, than gun violence. You have to remember, it not only destroys the lives of the viewers; it also destroys the lives of the participants and producers.

And that’s only addressing their physical lives. The damage it does to their spiritual lives really cannot be calculated. Pronography and misuse of sexuality is, according to many, many, saints, the sin which results is the damnation of more souls than any other.
 
Nope. But the sheer volume is telling. Also, Jesus said a man who lusts in his heart commits adultery. Adultery is a really bad sin which excludes you from heaven. Most men aren’t likely to murder, but they are likely to lust, especially when society encourages them to.
 
ProdglArchitect said:
The fact is, pornography affects more people, and destroys more lives, than gun violence. You have to remember, it not only destroys the lives of the viewers; it also destroys the lives of the participants and producers.
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Quality over quantity. Porn addiction is certainly a horrible thing to struggle with, but when a person’s murdered, their ability to do good, make amends, come to terms with their mortality, and/or turn their life around has been permanently, irrevocably ripped from their hands through no fault of their own. After you die, there are no more second chances. So no, it’s not a matter of opinion.
 
I don’t disagree with the awfulness of murder, but you still cannot assert that it is worse. Murder does not guarantee damnation. Unrepentant use of pornography pretty much does.

Fear not that which can kill the body, but rather that which can kill the soul.
 
TheAmazingGrace said:
Porn addiction is certainly a horrible thing to struggle with, but when a person’s murdered, their ability to do good, make amends, come to terms with their mortality, and/or turn their life around has been permanently, irrevocably ripped from their hands through no fault of their own. After you die, there are no more second chances. So no, it’s not a matter of opinion.
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So then fatal car accidents, heart attacks and such are worse than porn? I don’t think so. Porn use sends the user to Hell. Murder sends the murderer to Hell, but he still has the chance to repent of his grave crime. If the victim was in a state of mortal sin that is unfortunate but ultimately his fault.
 
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