For better or worse, rapidly developed Covid vaccines are on the way. If your bishop were to shortly decree that due to public health concerns....."

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For better or worse, rapidly developed Covid vaccines are on the way.

If your bishop were to shortly decree that due to public health concerns only vaccinated priests would be able to offer public Mass and only vaccinated laity may be present,
how would you respond?
 
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My fear of needles is bigger than my fear of getting sick… maybe i’ll think something else when i’m hospitalized with a respirator 😉
And i’ll do anything to go back to church.
 
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I wouldn’t be going to Mass.

No bishop has the right to tell me I must inject chemicals into my body, especially ones rushed through without having any idea what the long-term impacts of those chemicals might be.

Why do you ask such a question? What is your point?
 
Then I’ll go back to watching Mass online.

It’s not a mortal sin to miss Mass for a grave reason. And being blocked from going to Mass counts as a grave reason.

However…does the Bishop incur mortal sin on his soul for denying people the sacraments?
 
0Scarlett_nidiyilii said:
However…does the Bishop incur mortal sin on his soul for denying people the sacraments?
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I would say the risk of disease spread is sufficient to restrict reception, the same way it’s been applied throughout the crisis already.
 
IanM said:
If your bishop were to shortly decree that due to public health concerns only vaccinated priests would be able to offer public Mass and only vaccinated laity may be present,
how would you respond?
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That is outside of the Bishops authority.
No Bishop will attempt this.
 
So long as the bishops make it clear that an indefinite dispensation remains for laity disinclined to inject unknown and hastily-rushed-through chemicals, not yet tested by time, into their bodies (and their children’s bodies), I guess I’ll just sit back and watch the dystopian novel continue to unfold?

I’m not an anti-vaxxer by the way. I’m fully vaccinated from all the normal things, woohoo western medicine and all that.

But I am not going to be first in line to have whatever they’ve cooked up this year, pumped into my veins. And the harder someone pushes it (e.g. threatening to withhold vital services), the more suspicious I’ll be about it.

Who knows if that perspective of mine will change. But there’s a snapshot of my immediate mental response to that question.
 
Must unjust orders from Bishops be obeyed, though? Obedience has limits. I’m honestly not sure what those limits are, though, and what the limits on a Bishop’s authority are. Would need to ask a canon lawyer!
In answer to the OP, I’m certain this situation will never happen but if it did I’d just have to not go to Mass, find a different parish, or find some way around it.
 
I’ll give it five years on the market before I decide to take it.

Let’s talk again in 2025 🙂
 
Cruciferi said:
Which is how long some Covid19 projections are going. The vaccine is not magically changing anything. I hope people realize this.
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What’ve you heard?

Personally I don’t know… but I honestly struggle trying to imagine a planet of humans willing to live in quarantine for five years, over a virus with such a low death rate for most. I think different age groups will have different problems with that, and I’d be more surprised to see mass obedience, than mass disobedience. Young people want to meet spouses. Old people want to spend time with family before they die. Young children need to be socialized. Five years is a significant chunk of time for people at many different life stages. If people realize that’s being asked of them I think we might see something shift.
 
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It depends on whether or not the vaccine was developed in an ethical manner. If it was developed using fetal stem cells I would refuse to take it.
 
If the medical profession offers me a vaccine for Covid-19 I will take it. I’m not going to demand that they first spend years proving it works. The need is now.

If my bishop says his priests must be vaccinated I’m not going to argue the matter. I lack the knowledge to judge the bishop’s authority.
 
Johann_du_Toit said:
It depends on whether or not the vaccine was developed in an ethical manner. If it was developed using fetal stem cells I would refuse to take it.
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None of the three covid-19 vaccines (Pfizer, Moderna, and Astra Zeneca) involve fetal cells.
However, for the sake of argument let’s say there would only be one covid-19 vaccine on the market and all others failed and the only successful one used fetal cells.
I would get the vaccination because the Church says that in the absence of any non fetal derived vaccine I am permitted to take it.
 
Poet said:
I must inject chemicals into my body,
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What “chemicals” are you talking about? Vaccines are not typically “chemical” in composition other than the medium that the actual viral components (that which makes it effective in triggering the immune response without actually giving the patient the full-blown disease) are carried in.
 
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Poet:
I must inject chemicals into my body,
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What “chemicals” are you talking about? Vaccines are not typically “chemical” in composition other than the medium that the actual viral components (that which makes it effective in triggering the immune response without actually giving the patient the full-blown disease) are carried in.
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Syringe juice.

Eau de 2020 to chase 2021 away.

Liquid lightning pow-pow virus attack!

Better?

You know what people mean.

Apologies for the impatient tone if you were genuinely throwing that definitional reminder in there as a point of interest instead of a ‘gotcha’ along the lines of pointing out that a tomato is actually a fruit and a spider isn’t an insect.
 
MNathaniel said:
Syringe juice.

Eau de 2020 to chase 2021 away.

Liquid lightning pow-pow virus attack!

Better?
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I would have to say no. How about “vaccine”? Is that too pedestrian?
MNathaniel said:
You know what people mean.
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Actually, no I don’t. That’s why I asked. There are unfortunately too many people who really don’t understand the difference between vaccines and medications (which are much more important and more likely to trigger an unsolicited correction [not a “gotcha”] than the differences between fruits and vegetables or the difference between insects and arachnids), or have somehow gotten the odd idea that vaccines are inherently bad and I have no way of knowing whether you or any other random unknown individual is one of them. Or at least until it is made clear in their own words.
 
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