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hermit
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Don’t play silly games with me. My sources ar more reliable than your second hand information.
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Lucania
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Oh Yeah? Well my news channel can beat up your news channel! Nanny-Nanny, Boo-Boo!
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qmvsimp
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From Sept. 2002, CNN news story:
“Intelligence officials also suspect he stopped using a satellite phone when court records from the trial of Ramzi Yousef (convicted in the 1993 truck bombing of the World Trade Center) revealed that U.S. intelligence had intercepted satellite phone conversations.”
The he referred to above is Osama. See full story: rds.yahoo.com/S=2766679/K=yousef+trial+satellite+phone/v=2/SID=e/TID=DFX0_3/l=WS1/R=3/IPC=us/SHE=0/H=0/;_ylt=AuUzf03UZ3KtcWYHklB1OR9XNyoA/SIG=12dhe8b59/EXP=1124636940/*-http%3A//archives.cnn.com/2002/US/09/02/hln.terror.binladen
I really wasn’t playing any games. Are you able to source your claim?
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aimee
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Oh Yeah? Well my news channel can beat up your news channel! Nanny-Nanny, Boo-Boo!
what more could anyone add
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Syn_kobiety
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al Qaeda did not bomb the WTC in 1993.
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Lizzie
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Syn kobiety:
Another group?
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Syn_kobiety
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A group lead by Kuwaiti Ramzi Yousef and funded by his uncle Khalid Shaikh Mohammed who later joined with al Qaeda in 1999.
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stargazer257
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I’ve been a Fox News’r since the 2000 elections. I can clearly remember that choice over the other news stations being a relief as it was presented without much discernable bias. Being that I voted for Bush in 2000 it was rather difficult to watch the other stations (now I’m going to exaggerate here) gleefully calling every blue state while sorrowfully calling every red one. One other memory was when FOXNews called Florida for Gore; there was a resounding “Yesss!” by Paula Zahn in the background. I wondered if it was my imagination, but with the Florida debacle (first going to Gore, then to Bush, then to the Supreme Court 6 weeks later), they replayed their mistake several more times in the following days. Sure enough, Paula said “Yesss!” Well Paula works for CNN now and she probably feels more welcome there.
As for FoxNews, I believe it is fair and balanced. Some may see it as leaning Right, but it is all a matter of perspective. When most other news stations are leaning left, from their perspective they are on target and that news channel with the high ratings (FOX) is leaning right. FOXNews indeed reports the news, then allows me, the viewer, to decide for myself what it means. I like that a lot better than being told how I am supposed to see the story.
Now the Church is another matter, there I believe in the word, tradition, and the Magesterium to guide me (us). Our media/news should not try to garner the same power.
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As for FoxNews, I believe it is fair and balanced. Some may see it as leaning Right, but it is all a matter of perspective. When most other news stations are leaning left, from their perspective they are on target and that news channel with the high ratings (FOX) is leaning right. FOXNews indeed reports the news, then allows me, the viewer, to decide for myself what it means. I like that a lot better than being told how I am supposed to see the story.
Now the Church is another matter, there I believe in the word, tradition, and the Magesterium to guide me (us). Our media/news should not try to garner the same power.
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Petertherock
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I say Fox News is fair and balanced. They actually give more time to the Democrats when they are arguing their issues. I actually think this is because the more Democrats talk, the more idiotic they sound.
As for O’Reilly, I do not look at him as a conservative at all. He is one of the more independent people on the channel. He is against the death penalty, he has spoken out against the Bush administration numerous times. Yes, he has attacked liberals a lot but lets face it, they have deserved it. O’Reilly doesn’t take too kindly to people evading questions. If he asks a “yes” or “no” question he expects a “yes” or “no” answer. He doesn’t let the liberals or conservatives “spin” the question so they avoid answering. We need more interviewers like him in my opinion.
So yes I think Fox News is very fair and balanced. I think some people just think it’s tilted to the right because they have been so brainwashed by the little 3 networks and CNN that someone with a fair and balanced perspective seems conservative.
I mean it’s not like Rush Limbaugh is an anchor on FNC.
As for O’Reilly, I do not look at him as a conservative at all. He is one of the more independent people on the channel. He is against the death penalty, he has spoken out against the Bush administration numerous times. Yes, he has attacked liberals a lot but lets face it, they have deserved it. O’Reilly doesn’t take too kindly to people evading questions. If he asks a “yes” or “no” question he expects a “yes” or “no” answer. He doesn’t let the liberals or conservatives “spin” the question so they avoid answering. We need more interviewers like him in my opinion.
So yes I think Fox News is very fair and balanced. I think some people just think it’s tilted to the right because they have been so brainwashed by the little 3 networks and CNN that someone with a fair and balanced perspective seems conservative.
I mean it’s not like Rush Limbaugh is an anchor on FNC.
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Syn_kobiety
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D Quintero:
According to a survey taken in August and September, 2003 by the Program On International Policy Attitudes (PIPA) and Knowledge Networks, many Americans were misinforned about key questions related to the Iraq War. Months after the defeat of Iraq,
Moreover, those who were misinformed on these points were more likely than other people to favor the war. Among those who were wrong about all three issues, 86% supported the war. Among those who were correct about all three matters, just 23% favored the war.
And it matters where they get their news.
Finally, the PIPA study found that levels of misinformation varied depending on people’s primary news source. Of those who said that they obtained most of their news from the Fox network, 80 percent held at least one of the misconceptions described above. Among those who chose CNN as the primary news source, 55 percent held at least one misconception. And of those who chose NPR/PBS, 23 percent were misinformed on at least one major point. These differences shrank but did not disappear when PIPA controlled for demographic factors and party preference. For example, Democrats who watch Fox News are considerably worse informed than Democrats who do not.
puaf.umd.edu/IPPP/iraq/public.htm
Like Fox? Read this:
According to a survey taken in August and September, 2003 by the Program On International Policy Attitudes (PIPA) and Knowledge Networks, many Americans were misinforned about key questions related to the Iraq War. Months after the defeat of Iraq,
- 57 percent thought that Iraq was either directly involved with the 9/11 attacks in the United States, or “gave substantial support to al-Qaeda.”
- 24 percent believed that weapons of mass destruction had been found in Iraq after the War. Twenty percent said that Iraq had used “chemical or biological weapons in the war just ended.”
- 56 percent thought either that most people around the world favored the US intervention in Iraq, or that world opinion was “evenly balanced.”
Moreover, those who were misinformed on these points were more likely than other people to favor the war. Among those who were wrong about all three issues, 86% supported the war. Among those who were correct about all three matters, just 23% favored the war.
And it matters where they get their news.
Finally, the PIPA study found that levels of misinformation varied depending on people’s primary news source. Of those who said that they obtained most of their news from the Fox network, 80 percent held at least one of the misconceptions described above. Among those who chose CNN as the primary news source, 55 percent held at least one misconception. And of those who chose NPR/PBS, 23 percent were misinformed on at least one major point. These differences shrank but did not disappear when PIPA controlled for demographic factors and party preference. For example, Democrats who watch Fox News are considerably worse informed than Democrats who do not.
puaf.umd.edu/IPPP/iraq/public.htm
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Convert68
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As a Canadian, I have no opinion. Regular cable service in Canada does not carry Fox News although we do get Fox Sports and the regular Fox network. We also get CNN and ABC, NBC, CBS & PBS so why not Fox News?
People on this forum have commented that Canadians are more liberal than Americans. One of the reasons for that may be less diversity in the media and education. In French-speaking Canada it is supposed to be even worse. In English-speaking Canada the main non-Canadian media content is American while in French-speaking Canada it comes from France where the media is entirely controlled by the extreme left.
People on this forum have commented that Canadians are more liberal than Americans. One of the reasons for that may be less diversity in the media and education. In French-speaking Canada it is supposed to be even worse. In English-speaking Canada the main non-Canadian media content is American while in French-speaking Canada it comes from France where the media is entirely controlled by the extreme left.
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Affirmed
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A side note- I cannot believe how many people here are completely incapable of holding a discussion without resorting to liberal bashing. Is it really that hard to stick to the topic at hand? Sheesh.
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Cathlicrat
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Syn kobiety said:
I loved that study and believe it 100% from real world experience in talking and debating with people on the net as well as with family and friends who soley get their info from Fox News… ever watch and marvel at the segment on the Tonight Show where Leno does that “Jay Walking” stuff where people dont have a clue as to whats going on in the world? Thats what its been like for me in talking with folks who only watch Fox News… a funny
yet sad 
commentary on our American populace.
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Jaded27
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That is too true. I’ve found that to be exactly the case with my friends who watch only fox.I loved that study and believe it 100% from real world experience in talking and debating with people on the net as well as with family and friends who soley get their info from Fox News… ever watch and marvel at the segment on the Tonight Show where Leno does that “Jay Walking” stuff where people dont have a clue as to whats going on in the world? Thats what its been like for me in talking with folks who only watch Fox News… a funny
And unfortunately my fiancee tries to watch it sometimes as well (big george bush supporter). I usually ask him to watch another station. Plus fox news doesn’t take anything seriously. They feel the news should be “fun” and “popular” so they make it goofy.
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Syn kobiety said:
Others have replied here correctly. You can’t blame Fox News anymore than you can blame CBS if some of their viewers think Bill Clinton is still president. Maybe idiots are more likely to watch Fox News because they have pretty women. There are many possible logical reasons for your stats.
If you can reference a news story where false or purposingly misleading information was given by Fox News then please do so. Otherwise, please spare us the inconclusive statistics.
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Syn_kobiety
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If you can provide a source I will consider your claim.
Let’s stick to opinions backed up by examples and avoid the outrageous hyperboles.
What do you call inconclusive? The conclusion is that people who rely on Fox for news are more likely to be misinformed.
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qmvsimp
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Syn kobiety:
Syn kobiety:
Syn kobiety:
Assuming the survey is a legitimate one, and assuming the differences are outside their margin of error (both are big assumptions), here are some other plausible explanations:
People of lower IQ watch Fox news at a higher level than watch other networks.
People who hear of communications that Al Qaeda had with Saddam’s government prior to 9/11 are more likely to think there was a connection or “substantial support.” Fox News reported those communications while other outlets did not. Fox News reported about old chemical weapons being found from prior to Gulf War I, yet people just remember the finding of chemical weapons and not the part of them being pre-Gulf War I. Fox News reported on Iraq War support from Australia, England, Italy, Spain, Japan, South Korea, Poland, Ukraine, Romania, Netherlands, etc. Other news outlets focused on France and Germany’s lack of support.
I wonder if people who watch the other news outlets know that there were communications between Saddam and Al Qaeda prior to 9-11? I wonder if people who watch the other news outlets know that Zarqawi was treated at an Iraqi hospital run by Saddam’s son after he was wounded in Afghanistan? I wonder if people who watch the other news outlets know that the countries I listed above supported the Iraq War?
If they don’t know, does that imply misinformation on the other network’s part?
Jay Leno, jaywalking.
Syn kobiety:
Very funny.
Syn kobiety:
To claim misinformed, you must provide the misinformation that they received.
Assuming the survey is a legitimate one, and assuming the differences are outside their margin of error (both are big assumptions), here are some other plausible explanations:
People of lower IQ watch Fox news at a higher level than watch other networks.
People who hear of communications that Al Qaeda had with Saddam’s government prior to 9/11 are more likely to think there was a connection or “substantial support.” Fox News reported those communications while other outlets did not. Fox News reported about old chemical weapons being found from prior to Gulf War I, yet people just remember the finding of chemical weapons and not the part of them being pre-Gulf War I. Fox News reported on Iraq War support from Australia, England, Italy, Spain, Japan, South Korea, Poland, Ukraine, Romania, Netherlands, etc. Other news outlets focused on France and Germany’s lack of support.
I wonder if people who watch the other news outlets know that there were communications between Saddam and Al Qaeda prior to 9-11? I wonder if people who watch the other news outlets know that Zarqawi was treated at an Iraqi hospital run by Saddam’s son after he was wounded in Afghanistan? I wonder if people who watch the other news outlets know that the countries I listed above supported the Iraq War?
If they don’t know, does that imply misinformation on the other network’s part?
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Syn_kobiety
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Jay Leno, jaywalking.
Very funny.
To claim misinformed, you must provide the misinformation that they received.
- 57 percent thought that Iraq was either directly involved with the 9/11 attacks in the United States, or “gave substantial support to al-Qaeda.”
- 24 percent believed that weapons of mass destruction had been found in Iraq after the War. Twenty percent said that Iraq had used “chemical or biological weapons in the war just ended.”
- 56 percent thought either that most people around the world favored the US intervention in Iraq, or that world opinion was “evenly balanced.”
I’ll leave that one alone.
It seems that Fox’s reporting about those “communications” mislead people.
People who view Fox are more likely than others to not remember important details.
I wonder why Fox viewers thought those communications were significant.
I wonder if Fox viewers know the level of support from those countries.
The study was clear in stating that many people who rely on other news outlets had the same misperceptions as the majority of Fox viewers, just not as often.
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aimee
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Syn kobiety:
right…
right…
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Cathlicrat
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Why would someone laugh at a legitimate survey…cause the results arent those that fit what one wishes to accept despite the numbers posted? 
Is this why the disconnect is so vast in America :crying:
Is this why the disconnect is so vast in America :crying:
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