Freemasonary not being warned about?

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I can’t believe I am getting back into this…
As I stated earlier…I was mis-infromed by a Priest about the church’s stance on Freemasons. There is some confussion in the lay and clergy, apprently.
Masons (of today, in America) are not evil. Now the basis of the orginization may not be that great (as I have learned from this thread and some recent research). But that does not mean someone needs to be attacked for being a Mason. Shriners do some wonderful work.
On the same thought, Masons should not be attacking Catholics for thinking they are wrong for being a Mason.
I have never met a Mason that wasn’t a strong christian, also. (And I know LOTS of Masons.) I guess I assumed that it was a christian orginization. I could be wrong. But to say it is run by Satan…

I do have to agree with SirKnight though…“If you do not influence your companions for good, are they not influencing you for evil?”
But are we to know that the christian Masons are not influencing the non-christian Mason through there many relations away from the lodge?

Just my :twocents:

🙂 Lilder

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Spiri220:
… your ban appears to be based on a Papal Decree, not the word of God …
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" … Whatever you declare bound on earth shall be bound in heaven;
whatever you declare loosed on earth shall be loosed in heaven … "
 
I’m not Catholic, SirKnight…I don’t care what your Church says anymore than you care what mine says.

BTW…the post before this was directed at SPOKENWORD…not the rest of you.
 
Due to declining numbers the Masons are on a recruiting drive. I informed one parishioner that if he joined he would be unable to receive Holy Communion. He joined anyway. Now he is mad. Masons need to understand that asking a Catholic to join alienates them from the Church. Also it creates animosity with the clergy. They need to respect the Catholic faith and our discipline. If they continue I will publically preach against them without hesitation.
 
Due to declining numbers, several Grand Lodges have started actively recruiting members and dumbing down the initiations to one day classes. Many of us aren’t thrilled about it. I never heard of them specifically recruiting Catholics, though some members may do so individually.
 
They seem to be doing it in my area. I don’t like telling parishioners they are no longer in full communion with the Church. But I am obligated to do it. So Masons are putting me in a pastoral bind. I resent it. They know Catholics are not supposed to join and what the consequences are. They need to respect that. Otherwise they just create bad feelings all around.
 
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Spiri220:
I’m not Catholic, SirKnight…I don’t care what your Church says anymore than you care what mine say
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If you don’t care what the Catholic church has to say about this matter then why are you on a CATHOLIC forum discussing this topic? You don’t see me on a discussion board which is geared toward your Denomination.
 
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rfk:
I am suprised that no one has mentioned the bombing yet. Freemasons planted the bomb that tried to blow up of the tilma of Juan Diego with the sacred image of Our Lady of Guadalupe in 1921. The bombing that destroyed the large bronze crucifix beside the tilma, and the gold frame that encased it, but left the tilma undamaged.
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It is my understanding that at Fatima the three seers were held and interrogated by the government officials which was Masonically influenced at least according to the quote from the last Catholic monarch of Portugal, Manoel, who said that the Masons brought down the monarchy in his country. One of the reasons the local priest was so frightened about these apparitions was he felt it would bring more repression from the anti Christian government at the time.
 
I have read some posts indicating ignorance of the abuse scandal in the Church. Here is a link to a series of articles done last month by the Dallas Morning News. It’s reporting on problems that exist right now - not in the past. These are problems that have not been addressed by the senior management of the Church. This isn’t a religious problem. It’s a management problem.

dallasnews.com/s/dws/spe/2004/runawaypriests/
 
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Ken:
I have read some posts indicating ignorance of the abuse scandal in the Church. Here is a link to a series of articles done last month by the Dallas Morning News. It’s reporting on problems that exist right now - not in the past. These are problems that have not been addressed by the senior management of the Church. This isn’t a religious problem. It’s a management problem.

dallasnews.com/s/dws/spe/2004/runawaypriests/
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And this has what to do with this thread on Masonry exactly?
 
Sir Knight:
I. The Catholic Church is composed of sinners there in no doubt about that.
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Some wag once commented, “I heard the church was for sinners, so I just showed up”.
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My father (and some other male relatives) was also a Mason, and I was a Rainbow Girl…There was no Jobs Daughters group around here…That is the organization that the daughters of Masons usually belong to…

Looking back, I can see what a silly organization it was…Lots of secrecy, girls all dressed up as if they were going to a prom, lots of memorization, very cliqueish…My own daughter went to one meeting, and that was that! There were even secret handshakes and passwords…Can you believe it?

This was all, of course, before I became a Catholic…

Another organization that I have doubts about is the Grange…So much of their ritual is based on what I would call paganism…The God of the Corn kind of thing…I have known people who have made the Grange a sort of religion.
 
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Spiri220:
But your ban appears to be based on a Papal Decree, not the word of God. Though, as a fromer Catholic, I understand that your Church can justify anything they choose to through gyrations of “tradition” and interpretation.
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No, none of the above is correct.The popes based their writing on the experience of the church over a long period of time. As for your allusion to gyrations, I think you are confusing your personal opinion with fact.

I should like to ask your respectful consideration to the following:

These boards are relatively new and have attracted not only a high volume, but a higher caliber of participants than most. In the interests of maintaining that high level, which includes a great deal of civility, respect for one another even though views may differ, would you consider asking what questions you wish to, sharing your ideas as you are inspired to do so, but refraining from the rather unkind attitude you have displayed in this thread?

It is a Catholic forum, and if you do not care to hear the Catholic viewpoint, then may I respectfully suggest, you may have wandered into the wrong place.

I personally, have no problem with your disagreeing or not sharing the Catholic view, IOW this is a case of, it ain’t what you do, it’s how you do it. :tsktsk:

Thanks in advance for your consideration…
 
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HagiaSophia:
And this has what to do with this thread on Masonry exactly?
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It has nothing to do with Masonry, but the thread turned to a discussion of the sexual antics of Catholic clergy and some posts indicated ignorance of the situation.
 
Its people like Spiri 220 who give christianity a bad name. If your going to call yourself a christian ,then be christlike in your actions.We do not want to grieve the Holy Spirit. I understand that Spiri220 was frustrated with me but the truth is Gods Word is piercing and convicting . Spiri,if you read this I just want you to know that I will keep you in my prayers. This is a spiritual battle but I want you to know there is Hope. Jesus Christ will set you Free if you allow Him to. May the Spirit of our Lord Jesus Christ move into your Heart. God Bless You.
 
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DominvsVobiscvm:
Sir Knight,

Why is it so bad that Masonry, as an organization does not recognize the fact that Jesus is God? So long as they do not officially deny this, or make such a denial required of their Christian membership, what differentiates it from other interfaith organizations/activities of which Catholics, even our Holy Father himself, can be a part of?
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Because the church position is that it is not just another interfaith group:

"… That content – that end – is what we must now examine, if we are to find the fundamental and explicit reason for the Church’s condemnation of Freemasonry.

This fundamental reason can be briefly stated. The following summary passage from Leo XIII’s Humanum Genus suffices.

. . .that which is their ultimate purpose forces itself into view – namely, the utter overthrow of that whole religious and political order of the world which the Christian teaching has produced, and the substitution of a new state of things in accordance with their ideas, of which foundations and laws shall be drawn from mere “Naturalism.” . . . Now, the fundamental doctrine of the Naturalists, which they sufficiently make known by their very name, is that human nature and human reason ought in all things to be mistress and guide…

geocities.com/cath_apolo/cathason.htm

And once again, the church’s position can be found in a great many writings by church writers with a simple search and read effort.
 
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Spiri220:
I’m not Catholic, SirKnight…I don’t care what your Church says anymore than you care what mine says.

BTW…the post before this was directed at SPOKENWORD…not the rest of you.
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Then, if you don’t care what the Church has to say, what are you doing here?

Let us say that I don’t care what Judaism has to say. Now, would it be logical for me to enter a Jewish forum to see what they believe? Of course not, that simply would not make sense, right?

Antonio 😦
 
Is it inconceivable to simply want to know what other people think, as opposed to believing that they think what your peer groups believes them to?
 
Hi !!! freemasons :ehh: level 33 can anyone tell me what happens when you get to level 33 ? what is level 33 ? is it a number that the Freemasons pick as a mockery to remember that Our Lord lived until 33 years of age.

Someone posted on another website, that shall remain nameless as to stop slander, that when they got to level 33, they had to renounce GOD, and surrender themselves to satan, and that the things they do for charity are a cover up.Plus comit murder, hey !!! what is this secert handshake that freemasons have ?
 
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