Freemasonary not being warned about?

[Antonio_B]

wolpertinger:

Is it inconceivable to simply want to know what other people think, as opposed to believing that they think what your peer groups believes them to?

That is not what he wrote. What he wrote shows contempt for the Church. It isn’t that he wants to know what we think, but he wants to “attack” what we think and as a Catholic I had every right to question that attitude, particularly in a “public” forum.

As for the accusations against the Church because of the sexual scandal, I dare say that is not a problem intrinsic to Catholicism, it’s a problem one can find in denominations and sects also.

Antonio

 

[wolpertinger]

Antonio B:

That is not what he wrote. What he wrote…

Your question was:

Let us say that I don’t care what Judaism has to say. Now, would it be logical for me to enter a Jewish forum to see what they believe? Of course not, that simply would not make sense, right?

My answer again:

Is it inconceivable to simply want to know what other people think, as opposed to believing that they think what your peer groups believes them to?

Having said that, I did indeed misread your premise.

 

[The_Dead_Bishop]

learn more about Freemasonry and why it’s a secret society… banned to ALL CATHOLICS !! get a copy of the book “In God’s Name” by David Yallop.

 

[SPOKENWORD]

The Dead Bishop:

learn more about Freemasonry and why it’s a secret society… banned to ALL CATHOLICS !! get a copy of the book “In God’s Name” by David Yallop.

I dont need to learn any more about freemasonry. I know who its Great Architect of the Universe is. HIS NAME IS LUCIFER. Nothing Our Lord Jesus Christ was done in secret. Everything was done in the LIGHT,not like masonry that is done in darkness. I refuse to give satan an opening to come in by dabbling in your satanic books. Nice try.

 

[Antonio_B]

wolpertinger:

Your question was:

My answer again:

Having said that, I did indeed misread your premise.

Yes, and all I was trying to say is that anyone coming into a Catholic forum should be respectful of Catholicism, whether they believe what it teaches or not, or whether they simply want to see how we think, or what we think.

I know if I were to participate in a Lutheran forum I would be respectful of them even though I don’t share their faith, at least in several theological areas. The same would apply if I were to visit a Muslim forum. I would be respectful. There is no way I would say, “I don’t care what Islam has to say,” because some Muslim may then be in a position to tell me, “then, what are you doing here?”

Antonio

 

[Antonio_B]

Spiri220:

A real shame that the Roman Catholic Church doesn’t attach this level of importance to keeping their priests off young boys. Nice to see their priorites in order.

Am I banned yet?

No, you’re not banned yet but that’s because I’m not in charge.

Your remark is a cheap shot, disrespectful of our Catholic faith and a lie. The fact is that the Church is trying to correct this evil and it is not right for you to dump on a Church with more than 300 bishops and 65 million Catholics in this country as if everyone approved of the sexual scandal. When you say the “Roman Catholic Church” you’re referring to 1 billion Roman Catholics, thousands of nuns and priests, bishops, Cardinals, the Pope, etc. It isn’t right to judge an entire Church for the sins of a few.

The rules of this forum are clear for Catholics and non-Catholics. Come in, participate but whether you agree with Catholicism or not, BE respectful of it. Yor remarks show anything but respect. I find them utterly offensive.

Antonio

 

[oat_soda]

I’m a Past Worshipful Master, 32nd Degree Scottish Rite, as well as a Former Catholic.

i like that not only was he or is a mason, he’s also a former catholic. i trust his take on masonry about as much as i would trust kerry’s understanding of catholicism as being accurate.

 

[RedGolum]

I am a bit late to this one, but felt I could give a Lutheran perspective.

Masonary, as one of its core tenents, has that all men who have anytype of faith worship the same god, otherwise known as G.A.O.T.U. That is why there is a requirment that a mason have SOME type of faith.

This cotradicts Christanity and the Bible. There is only one God, the Triune God. Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. The Hindu’s and Muslims do not worship God, so to belong to an organization that attempts to meld all religions into one is a contradiciton to what Christanity stands for.

This isn’t to say that a Christian, in ignorance, couldn’t join a masonic or other pan religious group for innocent reasons. However, one MUST try to figure out why they would want to join such a group. The ban by the RCC, some Lutherans, and many others Christian groups on joining any group such as this is to prevent scandal, and to promote that there is only one True God.

 

[The_Dead_Bishop]

SPOKENWORD:

I dont need to learn any more about freemasonry. I know who its Great Architect of the Universe is. HIS NAME IS LUCIFER. Nothing Our Lord Jesus Christ was done in secret. Everything was done in the LIGHT,not like masonry that is done in darkness. I refuse to give satan an opening to come in by dabbling in your satanic books. Nice try.

Do we judge people or their kind advice before we hear what they have to say? If you were to read the book, it would give you a clearer insight into the evil spirit behind Freemasonry and implies that His Holiness Pope John Paul I was murdered by members of P2 ( a higher ranking than the degrees of freemasonry.Why flame me, friend? Just trying to be of help to those who seek TRUTH!! Pope John Paul I … remember him?

 

[SPOKENWORD]

The Dead Bishop:

Do we judge people or their kind advice before we hear what they have to say? If you were to read the book, it would give you a clearer insight into the evil spirit behind Freemasonry and implies that His Holiness Pope John Paul I was murdered by members of P2 ( a higher ranking than the degrees of freemasonry.Why flame me, friend? Just trying to be of help to those who seek TRUTH!! Pope John Paul I … remember him?

dead bishop, You tell me what clearer insight I need to know about an organization that is run and controlled by satanic influences.Your kind advice is cunning to those who are spiritually blind. Im not attacking you personally and I appoligize if I came across that way. I am attacking the spirit behind it.Tell me about your signiture name,its interesting?

 

[The_Dead_Bishop]

SPOKENWORD:

dead bishop, You tell me what clearer insight I need to know about an organization that is run and controlled by satanic influences.Your kind advice is cunning to those who are spiritually blind. Im not attacking you personally and I appoligize if I came across that way. I am attacking the spirit behind it.Tell me about your signiture name,its interesting?

Please re-read my replies to this thread…and shew me where I have defended Freemasonry, Thanks for your kind words though.

 

[SPOKENWORD]

The Dead Bishop:

Please re-read my replies to this thread…and shew me where I have defended Freemasonry, Thanks for your kind words though.

When you encourage someone to read about satanic activity thats encouraging them to find out more about satanic practices. Thats like me encouraging you to read about fortune telling to find out how satan works through the spirit world. Get the picture?

 

[Peace-bwu]

I read information on Freemasonry last year because it has always creeped me out, and I wanted to understand why. I know this is “unscientific” but from the time I was a little girl anything regarding the organization made me feel extremely uneasy, even though I had never heard anything about it. When I met my husband’s uncle 10 yrs ago, he was wearing a mason’s ring with a star on it and when I saw it I felt extremely nautious, I asked him what that ring was and he said it was a Freemason’s ring, I asked him what kind of organization it was but he knew very little. After reading a little about the organization recently, I finally understand. I believe it was the inspiration of the Holy Spirit causing me to feel this way. Some of you might think it sounds a little strange but I have learned to literally trust my gut. The fact that it poses as a Christian-like organization does not sit well with me. I agree that Catholics should be better warned.

Oh, and by the way, it’s nice to agree with Spokenword about an issue! I do think it’s important to be informed, though. I think Dead Bishop was trying to give us an informative book so we can be better equipped to defend our stance against it, from what I read I think he is against the organization.

 

[Ken]

SPOKENWORD:

I dont need to learn any more about freemasonry. I know who its Great Architect of the Universe is. HIS NAME IS LUCIFER. Nothing Our Lord Jesus Christ was done in secret. Everything was done in the LIGHT,not like masonry that is done in darkness. I refuse to give satan an opening to come in by dabbling in your satanic books. Nice try.

How did you achieve your current level of knowledge about Masons?

 

[SPOKENWORD]

Ken:

How did you achieve your current level of knowledge about Masons?

Ken, One through experience in dealing with catholic friends who were involved in masonry. Second through the gift of decernment,and also through a franciscan friend who has ministered with masons. This is not something that can be handled alone. THIS IS SPIRITUAL WARFARE AT ITS WORST, because there is so much satanic bondage and has to be dealt with very prayerfully.One that is involved in Masonry is really blinded to the Truth,but praise God all the curses and rituals can be broken by the precious BLOOD of JESUS.

 

[Ken]

SPOKENWORD:

Ken, One through experience in dealing with catholic friends who were involved in masonry. Second through the gift of decernment,and also through a franciscan friend who has ministered with masons. This is not something that can be handled alone. THIS IS SPIRITUAL WARFARE AT ITS WORST, because there is so much satanic bondage and has to be dealt with very prayerfully.One that is involved in Masonry is really blinded to the Truth,but praise God all the curses and rituals can be broken by the precious BLOOD of JESUS.

What is the gift of dicernment?

 

[Peace-bwu]

Spiri

Oh no… Spiri is making me nautious!!! Just kidding. Seriously, why are you here if you are so hostile? Your arguments are weak. I guess if all else fails just pull out all the stereotypical anti- Catholic mumbo jumbo you can! Heck, stab us with the molestation scandal. We’ve heard it all before. Yeah, the disrespect is annoying but you can’t hurt us. Devout Catholics are a pretty tough breed.

 

[flameburns623]

Haven’t quite read everything in this thread yet but here’s my two cents’ worth: much of the prejudice of the Roman Catholic Church against Freemasonry is foolish. particularly with regards to American and British Freemasonry. It is an astounding case of vindictive behavior some 200+ years ago being perpetuated for no apparent good reason except to keep an insititution from looking foolish.

John J. Robinson wrote two books on this subject, the first before he became a Freemason, the second just prior to his decision to join. He does as good a job as any in refuting the ‘Masonic Conspiracy’ notions which get tossed about by Protestants and (apparently) some Roman Catholics. I have begun to despair that citing books does any particular good: folks seem disinclined to read anything which might actually make them reflect upon the opinions they have always held. Nevertheless, I commend to anyone interested the books entitled “Born In Blood” and “A Pilgrim’s Path”, each by Robinson. Richard P. Thorne published another called “The Boy Who Cried Wolf”. I would also point out that by entering the word ‘Freemasonry’ into most search engines, one will uncover a goodly number of Masonic sites which will answer most of the anti-Masonic charges one picks up along the way. “Freemasonry 101” is one example; “Anti-Masonry: Points of View” is another. Finally: “Duncans’ Masonic Ritual and Monitor”

Some brief responses: One ordinarily “earns” the first three degrees of whatis called the “Blue Lodge” by memorization of three short catechisms. One is not obliged to join any other Masonic appendant organizations. Many do: the most popular choices are the York Rite, the Scottish Rite, and the Shriners. (At one time, it was obligatory to be a member of either the York or Scottish Rite to join the Shrine: this has not been the case for some years now, due to the sharp decline of all four Masonic organizations). One will acquire ALL of the ‘appendant’ degrees of any appendant organization one joins in one day, with no memorization required.

If one joins the Scottish Rite, one will attend an initiation as a Mater Mason (3rd Degree), and in about six hours, one will emerge a 32nd Degree Scottish Rite Mason. If one opts to join the Shrine at the same time, this will take an addtional hour or so. ALL DEGREES ABOVE THE 3RD DEGREE ARE HONORARY. One is no less a Freemason if one never joins an appendant organization. One is no more a Freemason if one joins five or six of them.

 

[SPOKENWORD]

Ken:

What is the gift of dicernment?

It is one of the spiritual gifts of the Holy Spirit. With this gift one can distinguish one spirit from another.Read 1st corinthians. chapter12 verse 10.

 

[SPOKENWORD]

flameburns623:

Haven’t quite read everything in this thread yet but here’s my two cents’ worth: much of the prejudice of the Roman Catholic Church against Freemasonry is foolish. particularly with regards to American and British Freemasonry. It is an astounding case of vindictive behavior some 200+ years ago being perpetuated for no apparent good reason except to keep an insititution from looking foolish.

John J. Robinson wrote two books on this subject, the first before he became a Freemason, the second just prior to his decision to join. He does as good a job as any in refuting the ‘Masonic Conspiracy’ notions which get tossed about by Protestants and (apparently) some Roman Catholics. I have begun to despair that citing books does any particular good: folks seem disinclined to read anything which might actually make them reflect upon the opinions they have always held. Nevertheless, I commend to anyone interested the books entitled “Born In Blood” and “A Pilgrim’s Path”, each by Robinson. Richard P. Thorne published another called “The Boy Who Cried Wolf”. I would also point out that by entering the word ‘Freemasonry’ into most search engines, one will uncover a goodly number of Masonic sites which will answer most of the anti-Masonic charges one picks up along the way. “Freemasonry 101” is one example; “Anti-Masonry: Points of View” is another. Finally: “Duncans’ Masonic Ritual and Monitor”

Some brief responses: One ordinarily “earns” the first three degrees of whatis called the “Blue Lodge” by memorization of three short catechisms. One is not obliged to join any other Masonic appendant organizations. Many do: the most popular choices are the York Rite, the Scottish Rite, and the Shriners. (At one time, it was obligatory to be a member of either the York or Scottish Rite to join the Shrine: this has not been the case for some years now, due to the sharp decline of all four Masonic organizations). One will acquire ALL of the ‘appendant’ degrees of any appendant organization one joins in one day, with no memorization required.

If one joins the Scottish Rite, one will attend an initiation as a Mater Mason (3rd Degree), and in about six hours, one will emerge a 32nd Degree Scottish Rite Mason. If one opts to join the Shrine at the same time, this will take an addtional hour or so. ALL DEGREES ABOVE THE 3RD DEGREE ARE HONORARY. One is no less a Freemason if one never joins an appendant organization. One is no more a Freemason if one joins five or six of them.

Its foolish to you because you only see the natural side of freemasonry. There are many smoke screens put up by no other than satan himself. It looks good because satan is a liar and a deciever.What you dont see is in the supernatural and unless you are in the supernatural you will not see it. Remember our battles are not against flesh and blood but against the rulers,against the powers,against the world forces of this darkness,against the spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly places. Ephesians chapter 6 vs12.