Freemasonary not being warned about?

[Spiri220]

Excellent source matrerial, folks.

Like reading Jack Chick tracts to get an unbiased view of Catholicism.

 

[SPOKENWORD]

Spiri220:

Excellent source matrerial, folks.

Like reading Jack Chick tracts to get an unbiased view of Catholicism.

Praise God the Spirit is calling you back to hear the TRUTH. Our God is a God of the light not darkness. Its time you come into the light of Jesus Christ.He loves you very much and He wants you to come into His presence. How long will you ignore His voice.

 

[Duhawk83]

JohnCarroll:

I agree that the Knights are a good group but why do they insist on dressing like a Gilbert and Sullivan operetta?

I am only a First Degree Knight but the uniform of the Fourth Degree nights resembles the uniform of a 19th Century U.S. Navy Officer.

As Christopher Columbus was the Admiral of the Ocean Seas the Knights do have ties to the American Sea Service. And besides everyone knows that the Navy has the best uniforms. The AIr Force and Army look like Bus Drivers, we Sailors look like military personnel.

Anchors Aweigh…

Fair Winds and Following Seas…

 

[Antonio_B]

lilder:

I think it is a grey area.

The freemasons (of today, in Amercia) are not an “evil” group. They are Chrisitian, just not Catholic. They do have some oaths they ask their members to take, but none of them go against Church teaching (outright).

Personally, I think if you are looking for a fraternial order there’s always the KoC. But the Freemason’s aren’t something to be “warned” against.

Lilder

News to me, I didn’t think one could be a Mason and a Roman Catholic, all at the same time!

Antonio

 

[Antonio_B]

Wrong answer.

From Catholic Answers:

"Freemasonry is incompatible with the Catholic faith. Freemasonry teaches a naturalistic religion that espouses indifferentism, the position that a person can be equally pleasing to God while remaining in any religion…

**The Church has imposed the penalty of excommunication on Catholics who become Freemasons. **The penalty of excommunication for joining the Masonic Lodge was explicit in the 1917 code of canon law (canon 2335), and it is implicit in the 1983 code (canon 1374).

Because the revised code of canon law is not explicit on this point, some drew the mistaken conclusion that the Church’s prohibition of Freemasonry had been dropped. As a result of this confusion, shortly before the 1983 code was promulgated, the Sacred Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith issued a statement indicating that the penalty was still in force. This statement was dated November 26, 1983 and may be found in 13/27 (Nov. 15, 1983), 450."
If you are Catholic, please be careful in your responses!

Thank you for the clarification. For a moment there I thought perhaps I was mistaken and Rome had issued a document saying that it was absolutely compatible to be a Mason and a Catholic.

Antonio

 

[DominvsVobiscvm]

So, basically, the Church has no real reason for firbidding entry to freemasonry. It’s just another archaic law, no longer sutiable to today’s climate, that we’ll just have to wait around for the church to ammend.

Gothca.

Menawhile, for the truth on this subject, there’s apparently no objective source I can turn to, just a buncha fantastical propoganda; nothing by a serious historian.

Gothca.



My apologies to the non-Catholics on the board. I really did think there was an answer to my question somewhere, and I had just not heard it. Turns out I was wrong.

 

[Ken]

HagiaSophia:

The church has not prohibited membership for Catholics based on some slight difference in political views only - a great deal more to it.

OK. What’s that great deal more? Just a few sentences will do.

 

[bengal_fan]

DominvsVobiscvm:

So, basically, the Church has no real reason for firbidding entry to freemasonry. It’s just another archaic law, no longer sutiable to today’s climate, that we’ll just have to wait around for the church to ammend.

Gothca.

Menawhile, for the truth on this subject, there’s apparently no objective source I can turn to, just a buncha fantastical propoganda; nothing by a serious historian.

Gothca.



My apologies to the non-Catholics on the board. I really did think there was an answer to my question somewhere, and I had just not heard it. Turns out I was wrong.

we can’t always expect others to do our research for us. why not go to the library and check out some books on the subject? schedule a meeting with your bishop and ask him your questions? do something other than get snotty with people on this forum who don’t live up to your expectations.

 

[HagiaSophia]

Ken:

OK. What’s that great deal more? Just a few sentences will do.

What part of : “A person who joins an association which plots against the Church is to be punished with a just penalty; one who promotes or takes office in such an association is to be punished with an interdict”(CDF 1981) seems unclear?

 

[HagiaSophia]

DominvsVobiscvm:

So, basically, the Church has no real reason for firbidding entry to freemasonry.

If after rereading this thread you can come to that conclusion I think it’s time for me to surrender - and time for you to engage in the research it takes.

DominvsVobiscvm:

My apologies to the non-Catholics on the board. I really did think there was an answer to my question somewhere,

There is - and that’s been made apparent by all of the statements made by the church as well as this thread.

 

[HagiaSophia]

Ken:

OK. What’s that great deal more? Just a few sentences will do.

What part of : “A person who joins an association which plots against the Church is to be punished with a just penalty; one who promotes or takes office in such an association is to be punished with an interdict”(CDF 1981) seems unclear?

 

[HagiaSophia]

bengal_fan:

we can’t always expect others to do our research for us… something other than get snotty with people on this forum who don’t live up to your expectations.

I thank you. When we ask a question and someone offers an answer, we can say many things: we can say, I don’t agree, I don’t understand, I don’t get it yet, thanks or say nothing at all. I’ve never figured out the rest of them.

 

[Ken]

HagiaSophia:

What part of : “A person who joins an association which plots against the Church is to be punished with a just penalty; one who promotes or takes office in such an association is to be punished with an interdict”(CDF 1981) seems unclear?

The unclear part is what is meant by “plots.” If poliotical intrigue doesn’t count, then just what did the Masons do?

That may be a rule, but to apply it to Masons, one should say just what they plotted.

 

[chimakuni]

Siri - so instead of one pope, the masons have many popes because each state has their own rules and regulations? All religions are equal in masonry, yes?

The lodge that my father belonged to as a 32nd degree and a Shriner as well as being in the Scottish Rite had an abortionist as one of its members. Now that is not what I would call a great profession!

I have not read propaganda about the masons - I have seen how they act and interact with one another and have drawn my own conclusions, after having been a Rainbow Girl and witnessed the hours of memorization that my parents did.

One cannot serve two gods. Tell me about the Maundy Thursday night ceremonies. Why are they mandatory? What is actually done on that night? Just curious

 

[Sir_Knight]

chimakuni:

… Tell me about the Maundy Thursday night ceremonies. Why are they mandatory? What is actually done on that night?

The important Rose Croix Masonic ritual called “Maundy Thursday” officially states during the ceremony: “We meet this day to commemorate the death (of Jesus), not as inspired or divine, for this is not for us to decide.”-Shaw and McKenney, The Deadly Deception, Page 127; Henry F. Clausen, Practice and Procedure for the Scottish Rite, Page 75-77

  Albert Pike, who was supposedly a great "enlightened" Mason taught that all specific dogmas about Jesus, such as that he was God, are in error. Masons teach that it is important to: "...strip from all religions their orthodox tenets, legends, allegories and dogmas."-Albert Pike, Clausen's Commentaries on Morals and Dogma, pg. 157 That is why Albert Pike said that Jesus "was only a great teacher of morality" -but nothing more. - Albert Pike, Morals and Dogma, Page 525.

  And the conclusion that J.W.Acker; a member of the Lutheran Church-Missouri Synod's Commission on Fraternal Organizations arrived at was this: "Masonry regards Jesus Christ as a great teacher only, not as the Son of God and Savior from sin, placing him on the same level with the heathen Greek philosopher Socrates and with the prophet Mohammed." -J.W.Acker, Strange Altars: a Scriptural Appraisal of the Lodge, pg. 6, 34-39 That is the same level that New Agers put Jesus on- that He was a good man - but so were lots of other Religious teachers, and that He was not anything other than a mere man!

The Masonic “Texas Monitor”, along with many others, stresses that Masonry is correct in “forbidding all sectarian discussion within its Lodge rooms.” -Grand Lodge of Texas, Monitor of the Lodge, Page 89. In other words, Masonry absolutely denies the right of Christians to try to share Jesus Christ with other Masons. The Lodge prohibits all attempts at conversion. Yet it is permissible to speak of and teach others about the “God of the Masonic Lodge” which is the G.A.O.T.U.-Mackey’s Revised Encyclopedia of Freemasonry, Vol. I, pg. 192

  On the surface, Masonry appears to accept "all Religions", but at the same time- Jesus Christ is left out in the cold. From "The Masonic Handbook ", pg. 184, we read: "Whether you swear or take God's name in vain don't matter so much, of course the name of the Lord Jesus Christ, as you, know don't amount to anything, but Mah-hah-bone- O horror! You must never, on any account, speak that awful name aloud. That would be the most heinous crime... unmasonic- unpardonable." Quoted from The Masonic Report, McQuaig, pg 2

– end of part I

 

[Sir_Knight]

– beginning of part II

  So, Masons claim that the name of Jesus "don't amount to much of anything"! and that it's alright to take God's name in vain- just as long as you be sure not to take their pagan God's name in vain!

  The Bible is explicit in telling us to pray to God the Father in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ, but Masonry forbids prayers to Jesus or God in Jesus' name, in the Lodge. "The Maryland Master Mason" magazine of March 1973 asserts the following regulation concerning prayer in the lodge: "All prayers in Mason Lodges should be directed to the one deity to whom all Masons refer as *the Great Architect of the Universe... Prayers in the Lodges should be closed with expressions such as 'in the Most Holy and precious name we pray' using no additional words which would be in conflict with the religious beliefs of those present at meetings."- Jack Harris, Freemasonry: the invisible cult in our midst, pg.112 *The Great Architect of the Universe is also known by the Masons as "The G.A.O.T.U."

  This is what happens to naïve Christian who think that the Masonic Lodge accepts Christianity, and tries therefore to offer a prayer in the name of Jesus Christ: "...the Commander of the Guard called me aside and rebuked me sharply. He said, I had ended the prayer 'in Christ's holy name' for that, he said, I would be reported! I was called in to see the Secretary of the Scottish Rite about my unsatisfactory performance. He was nice about it, but told me that I was never to end a prayer 'in Jesus' name' or 'in Christ's name'. He said, 'make your prayers universal.'"-Jim Shaw and Tom McKenney, The Deadly Deception: Freemasonry Exposed by One of it's Top Leaders, pg 72

  This supposed "niceness" if somebody who is ignorant offers a prayer in Jesus' name in the Lodge- could turn ugly: "...whenever a minister prays in the name of Christ in any of our assemblies, you must always hold yourself in readiness, if called upon, to cut his throat from ear to ear, pull out his tongue by the roots and bury his body at the bottom of some lake or pond."- Quoted from The Masonic Report, McQuaig, pg. 3

  "Freemasonry 'carefully excludes' the Lord Jesus Christ from the Lodge and Chapter, repudiates His mediatorship, rejects His atonement, denies and disowns His gospel, frowns upon His religion and His church, ignores the Holy Spirit, and sets up for itself a spiritual empire, a religious theocracy, at the head of which it place the G.A.O.T.U. -the god of nature- and from which the only living true God is expelled by resolution." Former Mason- Edmond Ronayne, The Master's Carpet or Masonry and Baal-Worship-Identical, pg. 87

  There are those who question whether it is right for Christians to belong to the Freemasons and other Secret Societies. In these Societies what are the favorite subjects of conversation? The presence of Christ is unknown to these gatherings. No reference is made to Him. His companionship is not desired. Where and when do such associations honor God? If you do not influence your companions for good, are they not influencing you for evil?

 

[Spiri220]

A real shame that the Roman Catholic Church doesn’t attach this level of importance to keeping their priests off young boys. Nice to see their priorites in order.

Am I banned yet?

 

[bengal_fan]

Spiri220:

A real shame that the Roman Catholic Church doesn’t attach this level of importance to keeping their priests off young boys. Nice to see their priorites in order.

Am I banned yet?

why do you want to be banned. this is a discussion forum and you had to know you would be dealing with people who disagreed with you. especially when dealing with an issue like this which most Christian denominations (not all but most) say is evil and wrong. so why try to get banned? keep the discussion going or end it and start a new one.

 

[rfk]

I am suprised that no one has mentioned the bombing yet. Freemasons planted the bomb that tried to blow up of the tilma of Juan Diego with the sacred image of Our Lady of Guadalupe in 1921. The bombing that destroyed the large bronze crucifix beside the tilma, and the gold frame that encased it, but left the tilma undamaged.

 

[Spiri220]

Actually, Bob, one of the biggest problems is that we helped overthrow the Papal States with Brother Garabaldi leading.

The Vatican NEVER got over losing their temporal kingdom.