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It is a pleasure to be back on the forums with my Catholic friends. I read a number of the posts on this subject and have come to realize that many are sorely misinformed regarding Masonry.

I have been a Freemason for a number of years. I am also a former Grand Knight in a K of C Council. I, like most everyone else, was leary and skeptical about the subject of Freemasonry. Now as for myself, I didn’t know any Masons when I was growing up. I had heard some scary stories about them from time to time. The subject was not discussed much until after I left the Catholic Church.

When I left the church, I left the K of C as I should have, since it was only open to practicing Catholics. Within a few years, I did make a petition to join the Masons. It was at this tome I had met a few in my new church and well, curosity got the best of me.

Many of the scary stories abot Masonry were still locked in my mind and I quickly decided that if this was something satanic, I was out of there! Much to my surprise, I was anything but that! It was not a religious ceremony, yet God was mentioned with the reverence due to Him. The Holy Bible was present and Scripture was read from it.

Is Freemasonry a religion? No, not really. Each man is free to worship God in his own way. Many attend a Christian church, some don’t go to church, but believe in the one true and living God. This is a requirement of any man who wants to become a Mason. He must believe in “the one true and living God”. No atheist can become a Mason.

We don’t worship Lucifer. God did give hime power over the earth and mankind after the fall. Hence, he is sometime referred to as the god of the earth. Notice the pronunciation…my God, the same as your God is capitalized, Lucifer is lower case, just like mythical Norse and Greek gods are. You can’t believe in Lucifer, Zeus, Ra, or Buddah as the one true God and be a Mason.

I do know some Catholics who are Masons. I did find this odd because I was taught as well that a Catholic man can’t become a Mason. I’m sure it is now HIGHLY DISCOURAGED, but not totally forbidden, otherwise, why aren’t these Catholics being expelled from the Catholic Church? I even know one Mason who is a Eucharistic Minister.

There is much literature out there about Masons, both good and bad. The bad is usually written by expelled Masons who are trying to get back at their former brothers. It never does work though. You see, Masonry has been traced back to ancient Egypt, Greece, Europe. It is very ancient. Some even say it is about 6,000 years old. There are two types of Masons…Operative and Speculative. Operative are just that, they are real masons who work in stone and timber. Speculative masons are those like me and millions of others who are not actual masons, but live by the ideals of Craft in our everyday lives. We don’t recruit, yet men always seem to seek us out. We do do one thing though…we take a good man and make him a better man.

Do a little research past Albert Pike and check out the famous American Masons. Just off hand, I remember General Douglas MacArthur and President Gerald Ford were Masons.

The rituals I read about are absurd! I’ve been to many initiations and have never seen anything done that has been described in some posts. I’ve enjoyed my time as a Mason. I don’t condemn others for not wanting to be one, nor do I condemn anyone who wants to be a K of C. That is their choice. We all should refrain from judging others and engage them in discussion to better understand their motives and actions.

Steel Arrow :tiphat:
I don’t believe anyone is judging anybody else. People have pointed out the teachings of Popes condeming Freemasonry. Sorry, but that alone should be enough for any Catholic to stay away. Others have pointed out the words of Masons themsleves, such as Pike, saying Masonry is Luciferian. Like it or not, Masonry is an enemy of the Church and has been condemned many times over. No matter how many try to sugar coat it nowadays.
 
It is a pleasure to be back on the forums with my Catholic friends. I read a number of the posts on this subject and have come to realize that many are sorely misinformed regarding Masonry.

I have been a Freemason for a number of years. I am also a former Grand Knight in a K of C Council. I, like most everyone else, was leary and skeptical about the subject of Freemasonry. Now as for myself, I didn’t know any Masons when I was growing up. I had heard some scary stories about them from time to time. The subject was not discussed much until after I left the Catholic Church.

When I left the church, I left the K of C as I should have, since it was only open to practicing Catholics. Within a few years, I did make a petition to join the Masons. It was at this tome I had met a few in my new church and well, curosity got the best of me.

Many of the scary stories abot Masonry were still locked in my mind and I quickly decided that if this was something satanic, I was out of there! Much to my surprise, I was anything but that! It was not a religious ceremony, yet God was mentioned with the reverence due to Him. The Holy Bible was present and Scripture was read from it.

Is Freemasonry a religion? No, not really. Each man is free to worship God in his own way. Many attend a Christian church, some don’t go to church, but believe in the one true and living God. This is a requirement of any man who wants to become a Mason. He must believe in “the one true and living God”. No atheist can become a Mason.

We don’t worship Lucifer. God did give hime power over the earth and mankind after the fall. Hence, he is sometime referred to as the god of the earth. Notice the pronunciation…my God, the same as your God is capitalized, Lucifer is lower case, just like mythical Norse and Greek gods are. You can’t believe in Lucifer, Zeus, Ra, or Buddah as the one true God and be a Mason.

I do know some Catholics who are Masons. I did find this odd because I was taught as well that a Catholic man can’t become a Mason. I’m sure it is now HIGHLY DISCOURAGED, but not totally forbidden, otherwise, why aren’t these Catholics being expelled from the Catholic Church? I even know one Mason who is a Eucharistic Minister.

There is much literature out there about Masons, both good and bad. The bad is usually written by expelled Masons who are trying to get back at their former brothers. It never does work though. You see, Masonry has been traced back to ancient Egypt, Greece, Europe. It is very ancient. Some even say it is about 6,000 years old. There are two types of Masons…Operative and Speculative. Operative are just that, they are real masons who work in stone and timber. Speculative masons are those like me and millions of others who are not actual masons, but live by the ideals of Craft in our everyday lives. We don’t recruit, yet men always seem to seek us out. We do do one thing though…we take a good man and make him a better man.

Do a little research past Albert Pike and check out the famous American Masons. Just off hand, I remember General Douglas MacArthur and President Gerald Ford were Masons.

The rituals I read about are absurd! I’ve been to many initiations and have never seen anything done that has been described in some posts. I’ve enjoyed my time as a Mason. I don’t condemn others for not wanting to be one, nor do I condemn anyone who wants to be a K of C. That is their choice. We all should refrain from judging others and engage them in discussion to better understand their motives and actions.

Steel Arrow :tiphat:
Wow, Mr. Steel Arrow. 6,OOO years of history! Well, that’s even older than Judaism and Christianity. I guess Jesus Christ Himself must have been a Mason of some high degree, doncha fink?

May Christ watch over you.
 
It is a pleasure to be back on the forums with my Catholic friends. I read a number of the posts on this subject and have come to realize that many are sorely misinformed regarding Masonry.
Hello Steel Arrow. I was untill not long ago so I know I am not off on my assesments thanks. I do agree that there are some misconceptions not many though.
I have been a Freemason for a number of years. I am also a former Grand Knight in a K of C Council. I, like most everyone else, was leary and skeptical about the subject of Freemasonry. Now as for myself, I didn’t know any Masons when I was growing up. I had heard some scary stories about them from time to time. The subject was not discussed much until after I left the Catholic Church.
I oposit of you did know many masons growing up. This also includes my adult life and some of my inlaws. This is somthing that I have been exposed to my whole life.
When I left the church, I left the K of C as I should have, since it was only open to practicing Catholics. Within a few years, I did make a petition to join the Masons. It was at this tome I had met a few in my new church and well, curosity got the best of me.
Sorry to here you left the Church. I my self am just coming back to it. Glad you still have place to go for God though.
Many of the scary stories abot Masonry were still locked in my mind and I quickly decided that if this was something satanic, I was out of there! Much to my surprise, I was anything but that! It was not a religious ceremony, yet God was mentioned with the reverence due to Him. The Holy Bible was present and Scripture was read from it.
I am assuming you are talking about your entery initialy into the blue lodge. Yes God is mentioned but not in sence to the Triune God. A Bible on the altar does not make it ok or good. If you go to a masonic temple in lets say Turky or Saudi you are most likly going to find a th Qu’aran on the altar. They say god not God and this is in reference to kneeling in prayer to diety of choise as is stated during the rituals.
 
Steel Arrow
Is Freemasonry a religion? No, not really. Each man is free to worship God in his own way. Many attend a Christian church, some don’t go to church, but believe in the one true and living God. This is a requirement of any man who wants to become a Mason. He must believe in “the one true and living God”. No atheist can become a Mason.
Yes it is. Each man is free to worship god in his own way. There are a great many of so called christians in masonry. One just can not be a athiest to be a mason though I know a few. They do not say you have to believe in the one true God. You just have to believe in god. They do not care weather it is God of the christians, jews, muslums, odin, sheva, ect…
We don’t worship Lucifer. God did give hime power over the earth and mankind after the fall. Hence, he is sometime referred to as the god of the earth. Notice the pronunciation…my God, the same as your God is capitalized, Lucifer is lower case, just like mythical Norse and Greek gods are. You can’t believe in Lucifer, Zeus, Ra, or Buddah as the one true God and be a Mason.
I do not know how far you are yet but pay very close attention to the rituals and lecturs. Listen to the references of the names that they give you for “passwords.” YES you can.
I do know some Catholics who are Masons. I did find this odd because I was taught as well that a Catholic man can’t become a Mason. I’m sure it is now HIGHLY DISCOURAGED, but not totally forbidden, otherwise, why aren’t these Catholics being expelled from the Catholic Church? I even know one Mason who is a Eucharistic Minister.
Yes there are Catholics who are masons along with Lutherans, Episcopals, Non Denominatonal, Baptist, ect… you name the denomination and you can most likly find a mason from that denomination. As for the Catholic masons the Church has made it very clear. They are excomunicated no if and’s or but’s. How public the Church makes it is one thing and weather or not that person conseals it from the Church. That is on that person. It is there own grave sin.
There is much literature out there about Masons, both good and bad. The bad is usually written by expelled Masons who are trying to get back at their former brothers. It never does work though. You see, Masonry has been traced back to ancient Egypt, Greece, Europe. It is very ancient. Some even say it is about 6,000 years old. There are two types of Masons…Operative and Speculative. Operative are just that, they are real masons who work in stone and timber. Speculative masons are those like me and millions of others who are not actual masons, but live by the ideals of Craft in our everyday lives. We don’t recruit, yet men always seem to seek us out. We do do one thing though…we take a good man and make him a better man.
Masonry is not as old as you think. Do more research. Those were oprative masons. Now freemasons/speculative masons evolved from that. That last statement I find you give as interesting. Are masons good men? yes socialy for the most part. The public front has good intentions.
Do a little research past Albert Pike and check out the famous American Masons. Just off hand, I remember General Douglas MacArthur and President Gerald Ford were Masons.
Yes lots of “famos” masons. Some though were honorary.
The rituals I read about are absurd! I’ve been to many initiations and have never seen anything done that has been described in some posts. I’ve enjoyed my time as a Mason. I don’t condemn others for not wanting to be one, nor do I condemn anyone who wants to be a K of C. That is their choice. We all should refrain from judging others and engage them in discussion to better understand their motives and actions.
I do not condem a man either way. What have you read that is rediculus becides the orgies part. That I never saw either. I do not juge and condem a man either. I simply posted the OP and based off my own experience, research, and what the Church teaches. I do have a couple of questions for you though steel arrow. You can answere them if you wish. What drew you to the loge?, Would you leave your church if the loge required it or asked it of you?
Steel Arrow :tiphat:
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Steel Arrow as for Catholics being forbidden to be Masons, if you haven’t looked it up yes this is the case, although the sanction is being deprived of the sacraments.
 
I have been asked why I was drawn to a blue lodge. It was the same reason I was drawn to the K of C. It was a fraternity of like minded men. I was also asked if my church told me to leave Masonry would I. The answer is this: No church has a right to demand of its participants to leave or join any organization. Freemasonry has been classified as a “secret organization”. If that is true, then so are the Knights of Columbus. As Masons have their secrets, so do the K of C. If you join any fraternal organization such as, the Fraternal Order of Eagles, the Elks, the Moose, etc…, are the business proceeding open to attendance by non-members? The answer would be of course not. The initiations and business meetings of the K of C are just as restrictive as the Masons are. What makes the K of C less “secret” than the Masons? The answer is because the pope supports it. One responder stated that Masons are excommunicated no if ands or buts. I then noticed that someone said they are prevented from receiving the sacraments. Which is it guys? How can it be either/or when Masons who are practicing Catholics in full communion with the church, are allowed to to be Eucharistic Ministers of the church? Could it be possible that the RCC has mellowed and doesn’t condemn Fremasonry as it once did? I ask this because of statements made that just don’t make sense. If the papacy is still so anti-mason, why aren’t all masons completly purged from the church? If you know of practicing catholics who are Masons, why aren’t you writing to your bishop or the pope and demanding that they excommunicate them? You can’t speak out of both corners of your mouth at the same time and still be 100% correct.

On initiations and such. There is a distinct difference in the way initiation are conducted in blue lodges in the United States and overseas. This is mainly by tradition. I have never observed any of the rituals defined in previous posts. All I can tell you from my experience is that invocation of demons, gods or goddesses does not exist in any of our programs. I don’t know just how to better explain it. If I had walked into what other members of this forum has described, I would have ran away as fast and as far as I could get whether I was catholic or not. In reference to believing in a god, the Petitions used in my Grand Lodge jurisdiction clearly states, **“the one true God” **. I don’t understand why others work so hard to make another person out to be a liar when they themselves have never seen the material or been a participant.

Steel Arrow: tiphat:
 
I was also asked if my church told me to leave Masonry would I. The answer is this: No church has a right to demand of its participants to leave or join any organization.
You don’t find anything deeply disturbing about this?! So the masons asked you where your allegiance lie – with the masons or with God’s Church, and you chose the masons as your first priority.
Freemasonry has been classified as a “secret organization”. If that is true, then so are the Knights of Columbus. As Masons have their secrets, so do the K of C.
Ummm…no. The Knights of Columbus are not bound to keep their secrets beyond their civil or ecclesial obligations. Thus, if under oath in court, a KofC could not perjure himself to keep the “secrets” of the KofC. The Church is 100% aware of all the initiation rituals of the KofC, and the hierarchy is intrinsically interwoven into the life of the KofC (chaplains, etc.).
What makes the K of C less “secret” than the Masons?
Answered above.
One responder stated that Masons are excommunicated no if ands or buts. I then noticed that someone said they are prevented from receiving the sacraments. Which is it guys?
The Canon states that they are to be punished with a just penalty. Today, that is understood to be deprived of participation in the sacramental life of the Church.
How can it be either/or when Masons who are practicing Catholics in full communion with the church, are allowed to to be Eucharistic Ministers of the church?
Probably because they don’t broadcast their masonic association. Most Priests, if they knew of such a membership, would do much more than just refuse to let them continue to be an EMHC.
Could it be possible that the RCC has mellowed and doesn’t condemn Fremasonry as it once did?
Nope, no Priest or Bishop has the authority to “mellow” over the condemnation or the penalties associated with masonic association. (cf. the two letters from the CDF in ~1984/1985).
If the papacy is still so anti-mason, why aren’t all masons completly purged from the church?
Again, probably because they don’t broadcast their masonic membership.
If you know of practicing catholics who are Masons, why aren’t you writing to your bishop or the pope and demanding that they excommunicate them?
Yes, I’ve encountered masons who were members of the KofC. And yes, letters were written and action was taken. Let’s just say that those masons are no longer KofC members.
 
I have been asked why I was drawn to a blue lodge. It was the same reason I was drawn to the K of C. It was a fraternity of like minded men. I was also asked if my church told me to leave Masonry would I. The answer is this: No church has a right to demand of its participants to leave or join any organization. Freemasonry has been classified as a “secret organization”. If that is true, then so are the Knights of Columbus. As Masons have their secrets, so do the K of C. If you join any fraternal organization such as, the Fraternal Order of Eagles, the Elks, the Moose, etc…, are the business proceeding open to attendance by non-members? The answer would be of course not. The initiations and business meetings of the K of C are just as restrictive as the Masons are. What makes the K of C less “secret” than the Masons? The answer is because the pope supports it. One responder stated that Masons are excommunicated no if ands or buts. I then noticed that someone said they are prevented from receiving the sacraments. Which is it guys? How can it be either/or when Masons who are practicing Catholics in full communion with the church, are allowed to to be Eucharistic Ministers of the church? Could it be possible that the RCC has mellowed and doesn’t condemn Fremasonry as it once did? I ask this because of statements made that just don’t make sense. If the papacy is still so anti-mason, why aren’t all masons completly purged from the church? If you know of practicing catholics who are Masons, why aren’t you writing to your bishop or the pope and demanding that they excommunicate them? You can’t speak out of both corners of your mouth at the same time and still be 100% correct.

On initiations and such. There is a distinct difference in the way initiation are conducted in blue lodges in the United States and overseas. This is mainly by tradition. I have never observed any of the rituals defined in previous posts. All I can tell you from my experience is that invocation of demons, gods or goddesses does not exist in any of our programs. I don’t know just how to better explain it. If I had walked into what other members of this forum has described, I would have ran away as fast and as far as I could get whether I was catholic or not. In reference to believing in a god, the Petitions used in my Grand Lodge jurisdiction clearly states, **“the one true God” **. I don’t understand why others work so hard to make another person out to be a liar when they themselves have never seen the material or been a participant.

Steel Arrow: tiphat:
The Masons, in America, changed their game plan more recently. There soon became too many Catholics in America to suppress so they switched to befriending Catholics. Keep your friends close but your enemies closer. That’s why there are differing opinions and confusion nowadays on the issue. Read the book Behind The Lodge Door. It has quotes from Masons themsleves.
Popes warned that it would be presented as merely only a fraternal organization. Apparantly, many, as the Popes warned, have fallen for it. Read the documents of the Church, the encyclicals, etc. See for yourself what they say about Freemasonry.
I honestly don’t know how any Catholic can support this group after seeing it’s anti-Catholic agenda.

I don’t know anything about the K of C. But as far as I know they are loyal to Jesus Christ and don’t promote the spiritual chaos that Masonry does. And then again it seems every time Masons present their case they spin off into another topic so it’s rather irrelevant. K of C is another topic altogether. You could start another thread. The fact is, Masonry, as pointed out, is forbidden by the Church.
 
The Masons, in America, changed their game plan more recently. There soon became too many Catholics in America to suppress so they switched to befriending Catholics. Keep your friends close but your enemies closer. That’s why there are differing opinions and confusion nowadays on the issue. Read the book Behind The Lodge Door. It has quotes from Masons themsleves.
Popes warned that it would be presented as merely only a fraternal organization. Apparantly, many, as the Popes warned, have fallen for it. Read the documents of the Church, the encyclicals, etc. See for yourself what they say about Freemasonry.
I honestly don’t know how any Catholic can support this group after seeing it’s anti-Catholic agenda.

I don’t know anything about the K of C. But as far as I know they are loyal to Jesus Christ and don’t promote the spiritual chaos that Masonry does. And then again it seems every time Masons present their case they spin off into another topic so it’s rather irrelevant. K of C is another topic altogether. You could start another thread. The fact is, Masonry, as pointed out, is forbidden by the Church.
Not to mention the deceptions and half-truths that they promote. “Oh, there is nothing preventing a Catholic from becoming a mason. It is ok.” - which is only a half-truth. The masons have no problem luring another Catholic into their association, but never mention the more important half of the truth that the Church forbids its members from joining.
 
Masonry is an enemy of the Church and has been condemned many times over.
Jam070406,

Thank you very much for your post.

I always find it interesting how the Church is so against Freemasonry, and Freemasonry is not against the Church.

I’m very disappointed in the Church at It’s one-sided-ness against Freemasonry.

Thank you again.
 
Not to mention the deceptions and half-truths that they promote. “Oh, there is nothing preventing a Catholic from becoming a mason. It is ok.” - which is only a half-truth. The masons have no problem luring another Catholic into their association, but never mention the more important half of the truth that the Church forbids its members from joining.
JMJ_coder,

Thank you for your post.

The is the same one-sided-ness that I refer to in my previous post.

Freemasonry does not and will not discriminate against Catholics becoming member, and most Freemasons do not know that the Church forbids catholics from becoming members.

Furthermore, Freemasons do not “lure” anyone into becoming a member. To be a mason you have to “ask” one.

Thank you again for your post.
 
Jam070406,

Thank you very much for your post.

I always find it interesting how the Church is so against Freemasonry, and Freemasonry is not against the Church.

I’m very disappointed in the Church at It’s one-sided-ness against Freemasonry.

Thank you again.
Dallas, you’re welcome.

The Church has your soul in it’s best interest.
 
Dirk,

Thank you for your post and for “calling me out” and “openly challenging me.” I didn’t mean to make you mad–just calling them as I see them.

I am very interested in seeing references on the below cited items from legitimate sources.

Wow. I would like to see were this is at in masonic teachings…

There is no doubt that masons should try to help other masons (it is also mentioned in masonic instruction that we never know who is another mason and therefore should try to help everyone), but to allow a fugitive to escape… please. We are taught to help others if possible–it is not considered possible when it’s against our obligations to God, family, country, and job. If you were a mason, do you remember what a cable-tow is. Unethical activity, should be considered outside your cable-tow.

Both Sam Houston and Santa Ana were masons, while this may have kept Houston from killing Santa Ana, he did imprison him.

Once again, I would like to see where this is in masonic teaching.

I didn’t vote for Bob Dole the when he ran for president (I didn’t vote at all). My own congressman–Ralph M. Hall–is a mason. There are times that I did not vote for him…

Bo Pilgrim, owner of Pilgrim’s Pride (of chicken fame), is a mason. We don’t buy his chicken if a competitor has a better value…

Thank you again for your posting–may want to check your facts prior to posting.
Dirk,

Thank you again for your post…
You did not make me mad. I just had to set things stright here on the board. There is no way I am going to let someone try to present the masons as anything that a Christian should be part of. I know way too much.I never held office but I was a ritualist. I had all parts of the blue lodge & many parts of the york & scottish rites, and even the grotto and shrine commetted to memory. I worked almost every initiation in vertually every position (not at one time of course ;))
Kudos. Are you going to answer the questions from my previous post?
The lecture is not written. You know that.
How would this keep you from answering the questions from my previous post? Especially if you have it memorized?
And I hope you also know that a Catholic man that becomes a mason “invaledly (sp) approches Holy Communion.” That was from Cardnal Ratzinger’s statement on the masonic order. If you don’t know where that is I’ll google it for yoy & get you the link.
Thanks.
If you are in it. please get out. After all, at your funeral do you want the “brothers” to commend your soul to the god osirus?
Once again, were did you come up with this whopper?

Thank you for your posting.
 
…Is Freemasonry a religion? No, not really…We don’t worship Lucifer. … You can’t believe in Lucifer, Zeus, Ra, or Buddah as the one true God and be a Mason…
Pike’s works disagree with that & you know it.
 
Because I used to conduct masonic funerals
I find that highly unlikely that you conducted a masonic funeral. I own a copy of the authorized funeral book, and nowhere in it does it mention commending the spirit of a brother unto Osirius. Let me quote from the Funeral Service book of F&AM:

"We (Masons) commend his spirit ](the deceased brother) to God who gave it; (arms are crossed on the breast by the brothers) "We cherish his memory here; (arms extended towards the ground by the brothers) "And consign his body to the grave".

The person who conducts the Masonic funeral gives the following prayer and benediction:

"Heavenly Father, as we come to perform this final act of parting from our brother, grant that we may have an inspired vision to enable us to look with faith beyond the veil, and that our hearts may know the continuing presence of a soul now set free from the limitations of mortality. We pray Thee to give us strength to hbear our daily burdens until we, too, shall enter into the Celestial Lodge (Heaven) above, to dwell with those who have served us here, until time shall be no more. Amen!

BENEDICTION

"The Lord bless us and keep us! The Lord make His face to shine upon us, and to be gracious unto us! The Lord lift upon us the light of His countenance and give us peace! Amen!

As you can see, we do not commend nothing to any mythical god. We do however do so unto God, our Creator who gave all of us life.

Don’t try to pass yourself off as some type of expert on the subject when you are not

PEACE!

Steel Arrow :tiphat:
 
Steel Arrow, One of the points I wanted to make was that masonry does not care what religion you are. You do not have to be a Christian. As for why the Church does not seem to be expelling masons is they do not know who they are necissarily. Some people are ignorant and do not know the Churches teching on this, but I can also tell you that the CC is not the only Christian body to have such a declaration. I know for a fact that the Lutheran Missouri Synod does also I am prity sure the WELS does to . If more than one church body is making such statments do you not think one should look a little closer at what you are involved in?
 
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 I haven't read all the postings, and forgive me if I am redundant. A few brief points.

 (1) I am not a Mason and have never been interested in being a Mason, though I have been invited. I have other priorities and already not enough time for them, and secret societies don't appeal to me. 

  (2) The Masons do wonderful work and the Shriners have superb hospitals in this area to treat patients, especially those suffering from burns. They also have a major home and hospital complex for seniors, open to all.

  (3) Catholics have joined lodges in this area, More than that, Masonic lodges and the KoC have cooperated together now and then.

   (4) Many of the Founding Fathers were Masons. George Washington, of course, was the head of all American Masons (Grand Master?) in his time. If you have ever walked down the Washington Monument you would have noticed plaque after plaque which indicate Masonic contributions toward building that monument. Various Masonic symbols also adorn the $1 bill.

   (5) I heard John Salsa on EWTN recently and ordered his more recent book, "Why Catholics Cannot Be Masons." It reads like some Vatican documents from the 19th century, especially the "Syllabus of Errors" by Pius IX which bitterly condemned democracy, separation of church and state, etc. Thank God, Catholics don't think like that any more, except a few extremists. We can praise Vatican II and John XXIII for that.

   (6) Salsa even writes (p. 56): Catholics must avoid "associating with Masons in any way." Sorry, but what sort of silliness is that? Masons include some of our leading citizens in many communities - mayors, doctors, lawyers, merchants, etc. 

   (7) If one is going to condemn Masonry s/he should at least use the proper language. It isn't "a evil group" but "an evil group". Then, again, I consider it sheer bigotry to call them an evil group.

  God bless the whole world - no exceptions.
 
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 I haven't read all the postings, and forgive me if I am redundant. A few brief points.

 (1) I am not a Mason and have never been interested in being a Mason, though I have been invited. I have other priorities and already not enough time for them, and secret societies don't appeal to me.
That is ok you are not missing any thing. I was a mason.
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  (2) The Masons do wonderful work and the Shriners have superb hospitals in this area to treat patients, especially those suffering from burns. They also have a major home and hospital complex for seniors, open to all.
Yes the social front/community front does do many good things. It is what is behind the sciens.
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  (3) Catholics have joined lodges in this area, More than that, Masonic lodges and the KoC have cooperated together now and then.

Then they are in violation of CC teachings. Vatican 2 did not change the CC stance on freemasonry. Hear is a letter from the CC on masonry.​

I also want want to post the declaraiton of the Catholic Church on freemasonry. It clearly states that the original postion has not changed.

Declaration On Masonic Associations

Issued by the Sacred Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith on November 26, 1983.

It has been asked whether there has been any change in the Church’s decision in regard to Masonic associations since the new Code of Canon Law does not mention them expressly, unlike the previous code.

This Sacred congregation is in a position to reply that this circumstance is due to an editorial criterion which was followed also in the case of other associations likewise unmentioned in as much as they are contained in wider categories.

Therefore the Church’s negative judgment in regard to Masonic associations remains unchanged since their principles have always been considered irreconcilable with the doctrine of the Church and therefore membership in them remains forbidden. The faithful who enroll in Masonic associations are in a state of grave sin and may not receive Holy Communion.

It is not within the competence of local ecclesiastical authorities to give a judgment on the nature of Masonic associations which would imply a derogation from what has been decided above, and this in line with the Declaration of this Sacred Congregation issued on February 17, 1981 (cf. AAS 73 [1981] pp. 240-241).

In an audience granted to the undersigned Cardinal Prefect, the Supreme Pontiff John Paul II approved and ordered the publication of this Declaration which had been decided in an ordinary meeting of this Sacred Congregation.

Rome, from the Office of the Sacred Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, November 26, 1983.

Joseph Cardinal Ratzinger, Prefect

Jerome Hamer, OP, Titular Archbishop of Loria, Secretary

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   (4) Many of the Founding Fathers were Masons. George Washington, of course, was the head of all American Masons (Grand Master?) in his time. If you have ever walked down the Washington Monument you would have noticed plaque after plaque which indicate Masonic contributions toward building that monument. Various Masonic symbols also adorn the $1 bill.
What is your point. There are all sorts of intristicly evil groups throughout history that have contributed greatly.
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   (5) I heard John Salsa on EWTN recently and ordered his more recent book, "Why Catholics Cannot Be Masons." It reads like some Vatican documents from the 19th century, especially the "Syllabus of Errors" by Pius IX which bitterly condemned democracy, separation of church and state, etc. Thank God, Catholics don't think like that any more, except a few extremists. We can praise Vatican II and John XXIII for that.
Then they need to be properly educated because CC and masonry do not go together.
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   (6) Salsa even writes (p. 56): Catholics must avoid "associating with Masons in any way." Sorry, but what sort of silliness is that? Masons include some of our leading citizens in many communities - mayors, doctors, lawyers, merchants, ect...
Not to associate would I agree would be silly. How else but over time could one hope to correct there error.
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   (7) If one is going to condemn Masonry s/he should at least use the proper language. It isn't "a evil group" but "an evil group". Then, again, I consider it sheer bigotry to call them an evil group.
Geesh nit pick the gramar. I tell you what. You call it bigotry I call it a eye opening education. Masonry is not a good thing. A good thing to do is put up a good public front for support and then change the rules as you come in the back door.
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  God bless the whole world - no exceptions.
 
Steel Arrow, One of the points I wanted to make was that masonry does not care what religion you are. You do not have to be a Christian.

Workingman, you are quite right. One does not have to be a Christian to be a Mason. We have Jewish Masons and Islamic Masons. Yet, we have far more Masons that proclaim Christianity than any other major religion. Notice I said PROCLAIM Christianity. There are many Masons (as well as other non-masons) who don’t reguarily attend a Christian Church, yet believe in God, His Son and the Holy Spirit. Christ said in Matthew 18:20, “For where two or three are gathered in My name, I am there in the midst of them”. (NKJV)

What I’m trying to point out is that masons may worship God without the formal procedures that are prevalent in mainstream Christian Churches. The faith of a man is entirely his own business. Masons are not required to promote nor condemn another man’s religion. In this forum, others have stated that Masons have/were/are trying to destroy the Catholic Church. Masons are called a “secret society”, yet they assembled in St. Peter’s Square to protest/destroy the RCC? So much for secrecy. Also, if we are such a secret society, then why is everyone in the community allowed to see where we meet or easily identify us by our jewelry, caps, shirts, auto decals that we wear out in public. From others thoughts on the subject in this forum, you would think that we don’t want anyone to know who we are.

Steel Arrow :tiphat:
 
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