Thank you! That is the center of the whole issue. This singular obsession we have with politics and trivial things always tends to overshadow the one thing: God’s Law shall not be mocked. I think every one of us, no matter our ‘leanings’, will acknowledge that the love of God and the wish to glorify Him come first.
Your prayers are appreciated…Your obvious sarcasm does little to advance the conversation and I said nothing about being forced to have gay sex. You might show some respect, though, for the majority of posters on this forum who are Christians who live their faith. I completely disagree that gay marriage will not effect the Church, society, and the family unit profoundly. Let’s talk about Massachusetts since you mentioned it, where Christian parents are NOT even allowed to opt their children out of gay sex ed classes which is clearly a violation of our moral obligation to protect our children from what we consider an ungodly influence. Our first priority is to LIVE our lives in accordance with the statutes of the Lord, and as a free republic, to be able to reject (without undue influence) that which we consider immoral.
Do you consider Constitutional law and justice “trivial things”?
I do not treat with sarcasm anyone who has not already treated me with scorn or self-righteousness.
It may have been 2004 and I’m still searching for the link to the Massachusetts case where the parents of a kindergartner were unable to opt their child out of a classroom where a gay textbook was being used. The parents were not asking for the school to change its curriculum, only that they be allowed to remove their child from that particular class. The courts voted in favor of the school; however I don’t know if it moved to the Supreme Court. Is anyone familiar with this who can post the link?
Tigg;6973098We can all see where this is going. Here are examples of the current movement regarding homosexuality and children. Do not be naïve in thinking that the **proponents of gay marriage are not hoping to advance this cause and bring about a new acceptance and “respectability.” [/quote said:
First, the Bible reflects an undeniable condemnation of homosexual acts, and since the Bible is Revelation received from God, it is not society who has deemed such acts as being an admonination, rather that comes from God.
They already have equal contract rights. The fight over gay “marriage” is a lever for overturning the concept of marriage in general. The effects are not seen overnight, but over several years or even decades. It is like termites in wood. Things look just fine until the whole structure is brought down. The marriage thing is only the beginning.
False. Several states have even banned civil unions.
False, again. It is an effort to participate IN IT.
Which structure? And who are the “termites”?
People cannot understand this very important point you make. The left takes tiny little chips away from the foundation, hoping that they will be able to rebuild the structure (society) in a much better image (their image and likeness). They do not know that they are really slowly tearing down the building (society). By the time they learn what they did, it will be too late because it takes a lot for people to acknowledge they went the wrong way. Narsicism is a common problem today. People ask, “what is good for me,” rather than “what is good for the nation as a whole,” and they do care if they hurt the nation or not.
No, we do not, but “justice” can only be achieved and defined when it is coupled with God’s eternal and never-ending Truth. Obviously you would want the secular state to be the Arbiter of Justice! (Which, btw, makes no sense to me since in recent years it has systemically and sufficiently shredded the Constitution!) I wonder where that leaves us?
I gave you links to substantiate the harm the gay movement intends upon Christianity and faith (which you cannot deny includes the right to gay marriage; it is all encapsulated) and what it is doing to indoctrinate our society via our children. The threat against the first amendment is very evident and parental rights would be abdicated (as in Massachusetts); various legal threats against Christians which would contend hate crimes and assaults upon religion in general. I could give you many links, but why bother? I’m sure you could find arguments against them written by God’s own enemies.
Massachusetts’ Catholic orphan placement (with over a century of good work) is gone; history. That was inside of two years of the state’s going forward with gay marriage and demanding that the Church’s charitable arms comply. Dissent against the state’s norm rendered the institution illegal.
I agree. This is right around the corner. An evangelical wedding photographer in the Southwest (Arizona?) was fined $7,500 for (politely) declining to record a same sex union. They’re not just going to issue fines; they have already started to use the whip of government force at faithful Christians. Those who stand firm will be hurt at least monetarily. In time, the punishment will accelerate.
I am certain I speak for myself and most other gay people when I say that all we want is to be able to marry and live in peace without the threat of violence or discrimination. Sure there are fringe groups who may have bizarre goals, but that is true of many other groups of people. We have no desire to turn your children gay, or teach them all about gay sex, or turn them from whatever their faith may be. Finally, I myself would abhor any violation of the first amendment.
You mean ancient Greece, that which may regards as the cradle of civilization? Must have been several hundred years, till they were absorbed by the Roman empire.