Gay Marriage: The Death Knell of Christiany

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2towers said:
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A lot of well known serial killers were homosexual. Given
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Really? I only know of one, John Wayne Gacey. Who were some of the other well known ones out of curiosity? Seriously I would like to know.
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This is like some anti-Catholic bigot saying “Some of the most notorious pedophiles were Catholic priests!”

About the only real commonality with serial killers is that they are predominantly male. I guess that means men are evil.
 
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In reality, in most common law jurisdictions you have to get a marriage license anyways, and that’s usually where the actual legal niceties of marriage are, the vows before the representative of the state are just sort of the final step.
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In Texas, the step is a necessary on. The marriage is not recorded until the minister takes the license to the courthouse for recording, or mails it in. Also, there are specific rules on who can officiate. I have done this myself a few times.

There was some fear that since the state allows ministers to legally officiate a wedding, they could be made to officiate all without discrimination. I don’t think this could happen, but I never thought one could be forced by law to bake a cake.
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When same-sex marriage was legalized here in Canada, the only group that were told to either prepare to marry same-sex partners or resign were Justices of the Peace (at least here in British Columbia). No priest has been forced to marry a same-sex partner, and churches still retain the right to marry or not marry who they see fit. That’s because the religious part of the ceremony is, from a Common Law point of view, purely ceremonial, and the civil marriage does not arise from that part of the ceremony.
 
Dean Corll, Andrew Cunanan, Jeffrey Dahmer, Dennis Nilsen, Stephen Port, there are likely a bunch more I can’t think of right now. Plus I could make you a list several times as long of heterosexual serial killers.

To be perfectly clear, I don’t think sexual orientation relates to whether someone becomes a serial killer or not.
 
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niceatheist said:
There should be some way for a biological parent to “veto” the request, if they truly do not wish to be in contact with their child.
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That strikes me as supporting a perverted view of parenthood? I’ll do some biological part at the start but want no responsibility beyond that?
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adoption was always intended as a one-way street, and finding biological parents is a relatively recent phenomenon.
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Adoption was generally for the benefit of the child, whose biological parents had died or were incapable of fulfilling their natural responsibilities. Now we foresee surrogacy and sperm “donation” - a completely different set of circumstances and behaviours.
 
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The legal distinction might make a difference. In Canada, or private bakers and photographers forced to bake cakes and take pictures like they are here for homosexuals who want them to?
 
Same sex marriage is a fruit of something much more subtle, sinister, and older than the sexual revolution.
In any case Christianity will “survive”. God is, after all. So yea, we are and will continnue to be.
 
Christianity will go on, but the decay of the family is pretty much the death knell for Western civilization.
In Europe the cathedrals are monuments to beautiful architecture divorced from the reality that created them. U.S. is close behind. The US can’t survive our own moral decay. No civilization can kill it’s most helpless members on such a massive scale and survive. Western civilization is contracepting itself out of existence.
The family is essential for thriving and sane civilizations.
In that respect the gay marriage agenda is helping push down that slippery slope, not because gay people love one another, but because the wider agenda is a deception when equated to marriage.
 
Please stop talking about Europe like it’s one big amorphous mass. Some countries are having a problem getting people to attend church, and some are not.
 
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It was an observation like any other human observation. Surely even the professional class of academics who tell us what’s true also at least start with a simple observation.
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Really? I only know of one, John Wayne Gacey. Who were some of the other well known ones out of curiosity? Seriously I would like to know.
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Someone else provided a good starting list. I’d add Manson as another well known one.
 
niceatheist said:
This is like some anti-Catholic bigot saying “Some of the most notorious pedophiles were Catholic priests!”

About the only real commonality with serial killers is that they are predominantly male. I guess that means men are evil.
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If Catholic priests accounted for something like a quarter of all abuses cases that would mean something given the rarity of Catholic priests in the general population. I don’t know the percentage of homosexual killers but I believe it is quite high given the occurrence of homosexual behavior…

Men are more likely to be serial killers. I don’t think it means men are evil but it does mean something. It might mean men are more likely to be able to get away with it.
 
You do realize that because of our rejection of homosexuality we as Catholics are viewed as a fascist religion. And that view will likely grow. I predict the many Christian organisations will give in to the judgement of society.
 
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No it wasn’t an assumption. It was an observation. It was an observation based on facts. I read reports of killers and noted the frequency of homosexual activity.

I don’t know what would be objectionable about thinking practicing homosexuality (I’m not talking about SSA) would darken the soul.
 
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Not like that, for sure.
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We are supposed to be defenders of Christ and His Church, here in Australia we are under attack, and there are posters here who call themselves ‘Catholic’ (even a priest) yet have no shame in advocating and voting yes, they are indeed traitors, stabbing us in the back when we need them most.

If you have a better word for them I’m all ears (or eyes on a forum).

God Bless You

Thank you for reading
 
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The title of the thread is too drastic. A little history lesson is required. First, the Church has been under attack since it began. The current “modern” attack started right after Vatican II as different groups and individuals wanted their “freedoms.” And they idolized “change” because they, not the masses, were going to tell us what to do and how to live. It centered around sex, birth control, the family and divorce. Destruction of the family by destroying male-female relationships. Then same-sex marriage.

1960 The FDA approves the birth control pill. It is not widely available and some women don’t want it. In 1960, the average number of kids was 2 not 10 (unless it was in areas where large farms existed).

1966 The National Organization for Women is founded. See what they’re doing today at now.org

1967 The makers of The Pill need to move product so they have to convince people it means freedom. Freedom from fear. Fear of what? Babies.


1968 Pope Paul VI does not take the advice of his advisors regarding loosening the Church’s prohibition on artificial contraception - in the midst of the Sexual (without love) Revolution, and issues Humanae Vitae:

http://w2.vatican.va/content/paul-v...ments/hf_p-vi_enc_25071968_humanae-vitae.html

Here was the reaction at the time:

"In 1968 the Pope reaffirmed the traditional view with the encyclical Humanae Vitae. Many moral theologians and pastors who had been following the work of the Commission were outraged. Over 600 theologians signed a statement rejecting the encyclical. Many lay people simply decided that this was a teaching they did not need to follow in order to be Catholic.

“Yet the Vatican under Pope John Paul II, as well as Benedict XVI, has continued to insist that the teaching is unchangeable.”

Source: New York Times

1969 The ultimate form of birth control was next. Abortion. And NARAL was founded. The initials had several changes: National Association for the Repeal of Abortion Laws, then the National Abortion Rights Action League, and later the National Abortion and Reproductive Rights Action League.

The American public was lied to and the media was manipulated. Co-founder Dr. Bernard Nathanson later told us how and why:

 
jcm2017 said:
No civilization can kill it’s most helpless members on such a massive scale and survive. Western civilization is contracepting itself out of existence.

The family is essential for thriving and sane civilizations.
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Eventually, the whole planet will. Projects into the next century show a population that will age with fewer children born.

There are many arrogant parties in East Asia, Oceania and the West who think immigrants will just keep having kids so their elite can enjoy the twilight of the modern First World.

Not even Islam has an answer for contraception. Neither does Russian or Chinese social planning.

And should that happen-----you can bet real money a lot of people including leaders in the Church will be “surprised”. :roll_eyes:
 
I don’t live in Australia, will not be voting in the postal vote, and am perfectly happy to leave it to the citizens of Australia to deal with their own civil matters. The extent of my involvement with Australia was to express that the view of one Jesuit priest, who was not disagreeing with Church doctrine but was making a legal point, was reasonable. This doesn’t mean anyone else has to agree with him.

The level of hysteria another poster has several times expressed over this mild statement, even to the point of name calling, is so over the top, there is really no response that can be made except to go pray.

Pax Christi
 
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