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cestusdei:
I’m a Catholic priest. That’s why I said when I meet them they tend to be honest one way or the other. No mortal sin makes people happy. The human person was not designed to experience joy by means of mortal sin.
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I could not agree more gay, queer, birth control etc. true happiness comes from God therefore if you are right with God, it is much easier to be happier because your life is filled with grace.
My sister is gay/queer and she is the most miserable person I know. :hmmm: Those of them without a conscience have a much easier time overlooking the differences between misery and happiness.
Oh loved the joke, I too laughed out loud.:rotfl:
 
Mindy,

You might meet a cheerful serial killer, but that doesn’t mean she is happy. People can put on quite a front. Some can virtually kill their conscience and brainwash themselves. I have met “happy” cultists. But don’t kid yourselves. Mortal sin will not bring anyone joy.
 
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Jeffrey:
Just don’t drop your receipt. :bigyikes: :rotfl:

Kidding…just kidding! LOL!
You are so BAD!!! Have to admit I laughed out loud on this one.
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cestusdei:
Mindy,

You might meet a cheerful serial killer, but that doesn’t mean she is happy. People can put on quite a front. Some can virtually kill their conscience and brainwash themselves. I have met “happy” cultists. But don’t kid yourselves. Mortal sin will not bring anyone joy.
Many serial killers are cheerful; that’s a symptom of their psychosis. I take it you’re not familiar with psychiatry?

I thought you’d be happy to hear of at least one gay couple who are happy. It’s the exception that proves the rule. My parents have been together for 22 years. I’ve known them 18 years - all the years I’ve been alive. Trust me, they’re as happy together as a couple can be in our current society.

The gays who are unhappy are the ones who feel shamed by their condition. That’s why they’re unhappy.
 
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Shoshana:
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This question still remains unanswered. Can someone help???

Blessings,
Shonana
The latest research indicates that gay males have brain differences. The hypothalamus of the heterosexual male is considerably larger than in the gay male. The original research was done in 1991 thru post mortem autopsy. The findings were upheld and expounded upon recently with PET scans that measure the size and shape as well as chemical interactions inside the brain. Independently this was also confirmed in Sheep Brains as well. Animal studies, done thru creating surgical lesions on the brain to see how behavior changes after the procedure, show that the hypothalamus among many other things effects instinctive sexual activity. Explanations for this difference are at this time made thru a loose collection of studies that suggest the possibilities of this being a genetic difference that is activated by the testosterone levels of the developing fetus or that the testosterone levels alone may account for the difference. This research does prove that past infancy there is little likelihood that environment could play a part in this difference as it is both physical and chemical and would only be impacted by the environment so long as the brain is developing. The environment may possibly play a role in fetal development as it has been statistically shown that after times of high stress for populations, like WWII, that the number of gay persons goes up. For this time I would imagine the current boom could be attributed to Viet Nam.

With all of this said, all that is know is that there is a difference in one of the four sections of the hypothalamus of gay men from straight men. Women had not yet been studied in the same fashion. It is not know by what mechanism exactly that this effects the imprinting of a desired gender, just that there is a 100% correlation.

This could honestly sort out those that have environmentally gravitated to a sexual preference from those that are hard wired to it. In that case should those who are not hard wired want to seek counseling as to their situation, who knows it may be actionable, we just don’t know. For those that are hard wired, they are who they are and people need to just accept that. It is a biological reality.

My biggest concern over this research is that parents could actually, if an in-utero testosterone level can be found that ensures heterosexuality, that people may choose to abort the fetus rather than have a gay child or that with the knowledge that they have a child hard wired to be gay that they would fail to accept that and spend the rest of that kids life attempting to change the software when the hardware does not allow this. Sorry I am a computer application developer J
 
The Barrister:
Guess we can’t question you, then, can we? As an attorney, I’ve seen what present police officers can do with the “facts.” I’d hate to see what happens to those facts once they leave the force.
That’s pretty humorous, an attorney questioning what police officers do with facts… manipulation and misinformation is the career of a Barrister/attorney and I don’t care what side of the equation you fall on. I have watched my and others reports of factual information in the hands of counsel on both sides rendered meaningless in the equation of justice due to the skill or lack by counsel.

As for the study I was referencing I have not found it again yet to post as a resource but I will find it, oh and was in a catholic publication, thanks. Also amusing an attorney accusing anyone of made up facts, btw.

Exactly why would you call into question my concern for our priests reception in the world? What interest does that serve? I feel the same way for male teachers or coaches who, just because the are male and working with kids , are viewed as most likely their to molest their children? I watched a fellow catholic police officer’s career destroyed by rumors. He really wanted to work with kids inside of being a police officer and a School Resource Officer positioned opened up. I and others warned him that as a single male taking the position was hazardous to ones career. 6 months into the position that he really enjoyed he called the home of one of the kids who was suspended, as was part of his job, and when the father found out the kid was talking to a “COP” he took issue with it and called the school and complained and then called internal affairs to file a complaint that a “COP” was harassing his kid about his behavior. IA explained it was a follow up call on a kid with history of troubled and disruptive behavior and that was the end of it. Of course the gossip circle that is a police force in any city in any state heard, actually from him what had happened and before long the rumor was he had a consensual relationship with a 13 year old. These rumors were addressed as completely untrue by our captain and yet they persisted. After 3 months of the sideways glances and whispering and suddenly halted conversations, and the loss of a few friends he left to become a manager trainee. This had even gotten back to his parish! But of course not in its original form.

So yes I care very much for our priest, how can they be effective if they are not trusted?

Finally, yes I do have an agenda. It is to prove that ignorance an religion do not have to be mutually exclusive and that all things when taken to extremes are bad. Your an attorney, perhaps you are familiar with the idea of laws that are absolute being absolutely unjust?
 
Mindy Mae:
Trust me, they’re as happy together as a couple can be in our current society.

The gays who are unhappy are the ones who feel shamed by their condition. That’s why they’re unhappy.
Mindy,

Anyone who has over a long period of time, conditioned themselves to believe they are happy by blinding themselves to the truth, is bound to be happy. If they are happy as they are and have heard the word of God, and do not obey, perhaps they may also go happily to hell:( . I pray that all involved will hear the Word of God and realise their sin, repent and beg forgiveness. Only through this will they draw back towards being in His grace. I pray urgently for you all.
 
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MatthewPR:
Mindy,

Anyone who has over a long period of time, conditioned themselves to believe they are happy by blinding themselves to the truth, is bound to be happy. If they are happy as they are and have heard the word of God, and do not obey, perhaps they may also go happily to hell:( . I pray that all involved will hear the Word of God and realise their sin, repent and beg forgiveness. Only through this will they draw back towards being in His grace. I pray urgently for you all.
I’m straight and I’m not happy either…:rolleyes:
 
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cestusdei:
Homosexuals have coopted the venerable term “gay”. Such a pity and quite untrue. I have never met a “gay” homosexual. None of them are happy. Most are deeply sad people who suffer from a terrible moral disorder. The worst part is they are told their disorder is normal and even good. So they are set up for despair. Often they react with bitterness, anger, and hate. I believe they are working to legalize persecution. Already a Cardinal is being tried in Europe and in Canada this post could get me 2 years in prison. Homosexuals are anything but “gay”. They are becoming dangerous.
Friends:

www.settingcaptivesfree.com is a good website for overcoming this problem. I agree, most “gays” are anything but. They are living out of sinc with God’s plan for their lives, and need to know there is always hope!!! God loves them and it is not ever too late to desire a purer life and walk with the Lord! AMEN!
 
mindy,

Yes I know what a psychosis is. Apparently your mother and her friend have it. This is most unfortunate. They now think something that is abnormal is normal.

Icc,
If your agenda is to say that somehow homosexuality is okay then you are in the wrong Church. We don’t know what causes this disorder. But regardless it is not normal and all homosexual acts are always wrong. That much we do know.
 
… with the knowledge that they have a child hard wired to be gay that they would fail to accept that and spend the rest of that kids life attempting to change the software when the hardware does not allow this

Shall we then also abort any efforts to “change the software when the hardware does not allow this” of those whose who are pedophiles or those who are violent?

Should we just accept them too when the cause is found to be “biological?”?
 
Personally, I think greed is a graver sin than being gay. If you a greedy and end up depriving your neighbour then you are having an affect on a third party. For the most part I believe that the gay community should be treated with compassion - apparantly nature or their early upbringing took a wrong turn, or was somehow inappropriate and they found themselves gay.

Christians should just show compassion. We should not judge them, unless we have worn their shoes.

But when the ‘liberal elites’ and Anglican Bishops promote Bishops who actually live with their partners - as happened in England, that is , to me , a sign of corruption, selfishness, and moral loss of compass.

When the Christian world was being led into war, and there are so many urgent causes to debate, to be even talking about tolerating practising gay Bishops, seems to me to show how far wrong Britain has gone.
 
Ptero said:
… with the knowledge that they have a child hard wired to be gay that they would fail to accept that and spend the rest of that kids life attempting to change the software when the hardware does not allow this

Shall we then also abort any efforts to “change the software when the hardware does not allow this” of those whose who are pedophiles or those who are violent?

Should we just accept them too when the cause is found to be “biological?”?
Code:
On a hypothetical note, what would happen if this was found to be biological, like in the higher animal kingdom? How would society see this and the Church also? The Church says we are to love them, it is their lifestyle that is to be condemned…true enough. But has the Christian truly accepted the fact that homosexuality is here to stay and it has been here since the begining of time?

If it is found that there is a ‘gene’ to explain it, will we continue to marginalize them? Because that is what they are. Not all, just those that flaunt it anyway. I have stated that my priest said that there would hardly be any priests if it weren’t for gay men. Maybe he was talking abour our diocese, I do not know. But I doubt if he was talking about only our diocese.

And Father, if you think that priests should not be gay, then I would recommend the many who are pathological psychologiclly to be screened more closely also. When I was in the convent (back in '69) we were put through a battery of tests. And it was stringent. I do not know how anybody can squeak through something like this without being detected. You would think it would be picked up.

Blessings,
Shoshana
 
This is for the poster who said her mother’s were both lesbians and were very happy. Well, I wish to direct you to this truth coming from a woman who was a lesbian and who explains her past. . She also goes and does a survey about many homosexual women.

narth.com/docs/newbook2.html

From reading this it makes one think and question the truth and how the lies of the media are just that, lies. And at least for the future generations who are confused or are dealing with same sex attractions, shouldn’t they deserve the truth in why they feel the way they feel. To understand it is not something they are born with, but through factors in their childhood, it became this way, this same sex attraction. If you go to the rest of the website you start to understand some things on homosexuality. Again, these conclusions have been brought on by actual people who came in and submitted themselves to therapy and it is from their testimonies that this data is gathered.

narth.com/index.html

narth.com/docs/excerpt.html --from A Parents Guide to Preventing Homosexuality,

I do pray for those who suffer this homosexual tendency. Obviously from this information, it is really present this same sex attraction through no desire from them. It is how they respond to it that it is taken to call it sinful. Even a man and a woman who sin by fornication, that is what it is a sin. So, I say love the sinner hate the sin. If anything, they do need our love and prayers as what they are going through almost seems like torture. A real suffering.

“But has the Christian truly accepted the fact that homosexuality is here to stay and it has been here since the begining of time?”

No, in the Bible it repeatedly condemns this behavior. Homosexuality being accepted is like saying you are an alcoholic, too bad, just keep drinking and too bad. It is good that they do talk about it so they can help those who want better for themselves. And if you mean since the beginning of time, you mean Adam and Eve, well in the book of Genesis, they were attracted to one another, male and female. Through them the human race continued till today. Even in the example of Jesus he had a mother and a father. He himself was a carpenter and was a “man” I really wonder if someone went and did a study of history and when homosexuality was rampant, they noticed that society flourished and many great happened during that time, but I wonder where it left the family, where it left the father’s and the son’s?

As for the contraception question. In the Bible it is considered a “wasting of the seed” through using a condom or some type of barrier method. And many hormonal drugs can act like abortificients. Just pay the extra money to get the extra information on them from the pharmaceutical companies. It’s in the explanation of how the hormonal contraceptive works that explains this. And why would companies want to tell this to anyone, they stand to loose business. Just like in abortion everyone is too busy believing the lie that it is not murder, when this doesn’t work, they use the scapegoat of the radical feminists wanting to “control” their bodies. All in the name of a woman’s choice to murder their children. But in a politically correct society, no don’t say anything like the truth it will make someone upset. Gotta be nice and lie.

The truth will set you free.

Someone has to stand up and defend the helpless unborn. They obviously are helpless.
 
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cestusdei:
bap,

Sin can give you pleasure, but not real happiness. I have met thieves and drug dealers with high self-esteem, but they were not truly happy. Those in hell are very unhappy. Don’t mistake pleasure with joy. The homosexuals argue that children have the “right” to pleasure hence the lowering of ages of consent. They would say you are “discriminating” by restricting it only to adults. They would argue that to draw a line means acknowledging some objective morality. No homosexual can stand that notion. The APA was actually debating removing child abuse as a paraphilia. Contraception for example gives you certain pleasures, but the negatives will catch up to you sooner or later. Deprivation of a good is not a postive thing. And I repeat I haven’t met a happy well adjusted homosexual. Ever.
What is the basis for your claim that all gays argue that children have the “right” to pleasure hence the lowering of ages of consent, and that they would say you are “discriminating” by restricting it only to adults?

Is it your personal experience or some other source? If another source, what is it|?
 
Mindy Mae:
I know I’m going to regret this but…

My parents are gay. They’re lesbians. And they’re the happiest people I’ve ever seen. Their relationship is more stable than most of my friends who have straight parents. They adopted me at the age of 2 months after my birth mother OD’d on heroin.

Just wanted to chime in with an “insider’s” opinion. Please don’t attack me.
I have no problem accepting that a gay couple is truly happy. I have known many.

I think there are also many people who derive some strange satisfaction from their notion that gays cannot be happy. Taking satisfaction from someone else’s perceived unhappiness is an interesting way to approach life.
 
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lovethetruth:
“But has the Christian truly accepted the fact that homosexuality is here to stay and it has been here since the begining of time?”

No, in the Bible it repeatedly condemns this behavior. Homosexuality being accepted is like saying you are an alcoholic, too bad, just keep drinking and too bad. It is good that they do talk about it so they can help those who want better for themselves. And if you mean since the beginning of time, you mean Adam and Eve, well in the book of Genesis, they were attracted to one another, male and female. Through them the human race continued till today. Even in the example of Jesus he had a mother and a father. He himself was a carpenter and was a “man” I really wonder if someone went and did a study of history and when homosexuality was rampant, they noticed that society flourished and many great happened during that time, but I wonder where it left the family, where it left the father’s and the son’s?

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Code:
You misunderstand my stand on this. I am very much aware of the Bible’s stand on this. What I was talking about is homosexuality not homosexual acts…

Blessings,
Shoshana
 
Ken,

I go by what they have done. In Canada they lowered the age of consent to 14. Same in Lithuania. In England they fought to lower it to 16. In Holland to 12. So why would homosexuals fight so hard to lower the age of consent? Maybe you know some reason that has eluded me. Off the top of my head I can think of only one reason that the homosexual lobby wants to lower the age of consent.

I take no satisfaction in homosexuals being unhappy. I want them to be happy forever in heaven. And sodomy precludes that. I suppose you take satisfaction that those who practice bestiality tend to be rather unhappy? Or do you mind bestiality if both parties consent? After all they might be born that way and you don’t want to be specist. How about pedophilia? You don’t mind happy pedophiles? I take it you think they are well-adjusted? Recently a book published by UMinn Press by Levine argues that there is nothing wrong with it. Welcome to the future of non-judgemental, compassionate, subjective morality.
 
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cestusdei:
Ken,

I go by what they have done. In Canada they lowered the age of consent to 14. Same in Lithuania. In England they fought to lower it to 16. In Holland to 12. So why would homosexuals fight so hard to lower the age of consent? Maybe you know some reason that has eluded me. Off the top of my head I can think of only one reason that the homosexual lobby wants to lower the age of consent.

I take no satisfaction in homosexuals being unhappy. I want them to be happy forever in heaven. And sodomy precludes that. I suppose you take satisfaction that those who practice bestiality tend to be rather unhappy? Or do you mind bestiality if both parties consent? After all they might be born that way and you don’t want to be specist. How about pedophilia? You don’t mind happy pedophiles? I take it you think they are well-adjusted? Recently a book published by UMinn Press by Levine argues that there is nothing wrong with it. Welcome to the future of non-judgemental, compassionate, subjective morality.
Observation that homosexuals were involved in the lowering of age of consent laws does not justify the position that all homosexuals favor it. Nor is it justified to hold there is a single homosexual lobby that represents all homosexuals.

I take no satisfaction in anyone’s unhappiness. Do you? Whose? Why?
 
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