Georgetown Says It Covered Over Name of Jesus to Comply With White House Request

[Jennifer123]

Don’t shoot me for playing devil’s advocate here. But perhaps he might have thought he was unworthy to stand under the name of Jesus, especially since the talk was related more to economics than religion.

He invoked the “Sermon on the Mount” in his speech. How dare he invoke Our Lord in his speech then have the gall to cover His name.

cnsnews.com/public/content/article.aspx?RsrcID=46667
“Obama did not mention the name of Jesus during his address. However, he did mention Christ’s Sermon on the Mount.”

Shame on you!

 

[Della]

I have been searching Google and the State Department website trying to find the protocols for a presidential visits within the United States. I seem to recall that when the President gives a talk nothing is supposed to be visible around him except symbols of the United States. If this is the case (which I’ve been trying to confirm or refute) it would mean that no one at the WH intended to offend anyone’s religious sensibilities but were just trying to follow proper protocols for a presidential speech outside the WH proper.

I didn’t vote for Obama, I don’t support his policies, especially not his pro-death policies, but he is the president, and if the WH was merely following protocol then it should be no harm no foul. If not, then I would agree that something is terribly wrong with the way this was handled. If someone knows the proper protocols or has a source, I’m sure we’d all appreciate seeing them.

 

[cathgal]

Don’t shoot me for playing devil’s advocate here. But perhaps he might have thought he was unworthy to stand under the name of Jesus, especially since the talk was related more to economics than religion.

Also, maybe Obama didn’t know about the request. I’m sure the White House probably doesn’t run every small thing by him, and perhaps they neglected to tell him about it since they deemed it such a trivial issue.

There’s always two sides to the story. Let’s hear some explanations first before making assumptions.

Puleeeeze!

The last thing I want to do is to defend the man

Unworthy to stand under the name of Jesus…hogwash!
It was more like a slap in His face!

All the people he appointed in high offices just happenend to be pro-abort Catholics.

The ambassador he appointed for the Holy See, again, just happened to be pro-abort Catholics. How dare he!

Now he hopes to make an appearance at ‘catholic’ ND and receive an honorary award and Catholics all over have been in an uproar over this scandal. If he has any decency, he should refuse the invitation!

The man must be blind not to know how strongly Catholics feel about his anti-life stance.

His actions are saying, here to you Jesus. They are your followers but none of them are true to your teachings. Oooh the anti-Christ must be mocking!

 

[cathgal]

I have been searching Google and the State Department website trying to find the protocols for a presidential visits within the United States. I seem to recall that when the President gives a talk nothing is supposed to be visible around him except symbols of the United States. If this is the case (which I’ve been trying to confirm or refute) it would mean that no one at the WH intended to offend anyone’s religious sensibilities but were just trying to follow proper protocols for a presidential speech outside the WH proper.

I didn’t vote for Obama, I don’t support his policies, especially not his pro-death policies, but he is the president, and if the WH was merely following protocol then it should be no harm no foul. If not, then I would agree that something is terribly wrong with the way this was handled. If someone knows the proper protocols or has a source, I’m sure we’d all appreciate seeing them.

Offend anyone religious sensiblities?
Gee whiz. They cover the name of Jesus but use His sermon on the mount.
Dang! At least give the author of the sermon some credit. Don’t they always do when they use a famous quote.

But that like asking Satan to say the name of Jesus. He would have a hard time pronouncing it. J…J…J…Je…

Of course the protocols must be followed.

After all, this nation is no longer a christian nation, said so by president himself and what better way to prove this fact than to do it right on the Catholic property and cover the name of Jesus.

Such a huge nation and no place for the president to make his secular speech that he had to choose Georgetown.

 

[redrosetea]

If Christ is so offensive why choose a Catholic school to speak at?..go to a football stadium or an auditorium

 

[Della]

Well, if it is the protocol it’s in place for good reason. As I also recall (I sure wish I could find the confirmation) the reason is because the President of the United States speaks only for the United States. He doesn’t speak for any religion or any particular group (except his own political party, of course) such as the Elks or the Ladies Aid Society or any corporation, so all symbols except the presidential seal and the US flag are to be removed or covered. It’s to keep this sort of misunderstanding from happening in the first place.

This reminds me of the English not understanding why the flag was not flying at half staff over Buckingham Palace when the country was in mourning for Princess Diana. The royal flag goes with the monarch and since the Queen was not in residence at BP no flag was flying at all. The hue and cry was so great, though, that although the proper protocols were being followed, the Queen consented to flying the Union Jack at half staff over BP just to keep the people from thinking she was snubbing Diana and the people’s feelings.

We can’t let ourselves get carried away before we know the facts or we’ll end up looking foolish instead of truly making a cogent point. Yes?

 

[redrosetea]

No if they come onto a Catholic institution throwing around their weight and making unreasonable demands, we have a right to be angry

He can speak anywhere, he doesn’t need to use a Catholic Facility

 

[cathgal]

Well, if it is the protocol it’s in place for good reason. As I also recall (I sure wish I could find the confirmation) the reason is because the President of the United States speaks only for the United States. He doesn’t speak for any religion or any particular group (except his own political party, of course) such as the Elks or the Ladies Aid Society or any corporation, so all symbols except the presidential seal and the US flag are to be removed or covered. It’s to keep this sort of misunderstanding from happening in the first place.

This reminds me of the English not understanding why the flag was not flying at half staff over Buckingham Palace when the country was in mourning for Princess Diana. The royal flag goes with the monarch and since the Queen was not in residence at BP no flag was flying at all. The hue and cry was so great, though, that although the proper protocols were being followed, the Queen consented to flying the Union Jack at half staff over BP just to keep the people from thinking she was snubbing Diana and the people’s feelings.

We can’t let ourselves get carried away before we know the facts or we’ll end up looking foolish instead of truly making a cogent point. Yes?

Get this clear.

No one forces the president to choose Georgetown and no one forbids him not to follow the protocol.

He should use a hellish place and no one would give a heck about him and his protocol

'nough defending!

amazing that no one complains about the quote he used…

oh wait…nobody knew it was Jesus’ quote he used …:doh2:

 

[Della]

Get this clear.

No one forces the president to choose Georgetown and no one forbids him not to follow the protocol.

He should use a hellish place and no one would complain about him and his protocol

'nough defending!

I know this is an emotional issue for us all, me included, and I’m no happier than you to see a pro-death president speaking at a Catholic institution. But, if he does speak at a Catholic institution or any other, be he a president we approve of or not, the protocol is the same. We can’t blame protocol for Obama being pro-death. I’m not defending him, I’m defending reason and sanity in this matter. If we criticize Obama for following protocol we look like nitpicky fanatics, let’s criticize him for what he deserves not for following the same protocol every other president has followed. It doesn’t help our cause.

 

[redrosetea]

If it were protocol the papers would have said so

It is news because it is an unreasonable thing to do

 

[cathgal]

I know this is an emotional issue for us all, me included, and I’m no happier than you to see a pro-death president speaking at a Catholic institution. But, if he does speak at a Catholic institution or any other, be he a president we approve of or not, the protocol is the same. We can’t blame protocol for Obama being pro-death. I’m not defending him, I’m defending reason and sanity in this matter. If we criticize Obama for following protocol we look like nitpicky fanatics, let’s criticize him for what he deserves not for following the same protocol every other president has followed. It doesn’t help our cause.

Does the protocol say something like:

Have nothing to do w/ religious symbols BUT use religious facility ???

There is no reason or sanity to what was done. What is reason is that there are critics on this action and well it should be!

Face it.

This man has done too much against Catholic values already and he continues to do so…

It is beyond defending him at this point…

 

[JPUSC]

Georgetown is the one that extended the invitation to him so blame them.

What is the big deal? Boston College didn’t have crucifixes in their classrooms until recently, but now people want them off again. Face it, Catholic schools are useless.

Do your children a favor and send them to secular universities - their quality is much better and what you see is what you get (vs. the pretend Catholic colleges).

 

[cathgal]

Georgetown is the one that invited him so blame them.

What is the big deal? Boston College didn’t have crucifixes in their classrooms until recently, but now people want them off again. Face it, Catholic schools are useless.

Do your children a favor and send them to secular universities - their quality is much better and what you see is what you get (vs. the pretend Catholic colleges).

Right.

Kinda forget my focus there for a minute.

A bunch of sold out, pathetic idiotic Catholics who gave Obama the tools to mock Christ.

It was one of His own who sold Him… like Judas.

God have mercy…

 

[Della]

Does the protocol say something like:

Have nothing to do w/ religious symbols BUT use religious facility ???

There is no reason or sanity to what was done. What is reason is that there are critics on this action and well it should be!

Face it.

This man has done too much against Catholic values already and he continues to do so…

It is beyond defending him at this point…

And I agree. No Catholic institution ought to be asking a pro-death politician, no matter how highly placed, to speak at it. It’s a scandal that ought never to have happened. I’m hoping the good that comes out of it is a revision of policy by our Catholic schools and other institutions and better oversight by our bishops. There’s always something good that can come out of the evil others intend–that’s God way of dealing with such things, isn’t it?

 

[redrosetea]

And I agree. No Catholic institution ought to be asking a pro-death politician, no matter how highly placed, to speak at it. It’s a scandal that ought never to have happened. I’m hoping the good that comes out of it is a revision of policy by our Catholic schools and other institutions and better oversight by our bishops. There’s always something good that can come out of the evil others intend–that’s God way of dealing with such things, isn’t it?

I totally agree and hope you are right

 

[cathgal]

And I agree. No Catholic institution ought to be asking a pro-death politician, no matter how highly placed, to speak at it. It’s a scandal that ought never to have happened. I’m hoping the good that comes out of it is a revision of policy by our Catholic schools and other institutions and better oversight by our bishops. There’s always something good that can come out of the evil others intend–that’s God way of dealing with such things, isn’t it?

Revision is one thing but I really don’t think it’s necessary given that for the last several years, the stand of Catholic on life issue is quite clear, especially on the recent presidential election. A person would have to be a fool not to know it. Common sense really

On the other hand, it may do no good on the dissenters of the faith. Like Georgetown scandal and ND being up next for the disgrace, who can and gonna do something about it ??

 

[mdgspencer]

I don’t blame the government but Georgetown for doing this. There have been threads on Catholic Answers about which Catholic university to send children to, and I recall some posters who raved about Georgetown and how it is a Catholic university. This shows how people can mislead themselves about “Catholic” universities in the United States. There are a minority of quite good ones; Georgetown on the other hand has sold itself to the world, the flesh and the devil, in this and in other ways.

 

[Della]

I think we’re getting a bit off the topic here, which was the covering up of the IHS symbol not if Georgetown should/shouldn’t have Obama speak. Of course we can’t pretend this all right. We can say we disagree and should say so–that’s our right as faithful Catholics. Our bishops don’t have the right to tell us to be quiet about such things. I see people protesting, and rightly so, as a good thing because it may move our bishops to reconsider some of their decisions which have been more politically correct than theologically correct over the last few decades. Sometimes it is the voice of the faithful that keeps the Church on track more than the leadership of our bishops, but we still owe them respect and obedience in matters over which they have proper authority.

 

[mdgspencer]

Someone wondered about why IHS is important. IHS is the initials for the Latin words that mean Jesus, savior of men (Iesus Hominum Salvator). This is what they covered up on request of the President’s political attendants. IHS is an inscription that has been used for many centuries; if its meaning is unfamiliar to some here, it was familiar enough to the people who asked it be covered over.

 

[TracyJ]

I wonder if the White House also told them to not, under any circumstances, expose Obama to holy water.

I just couldn’t keep myself from saying that. The topic just begged for it.

You are Sooo BAD!
BUT, that was hilarious!
And I don’t think he would FLEE if sprinkled with Holy Water, I’m an Obama fan
but when someone makes a clever remark they deserve kudos and I give them to you!