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He did not say that it was our fault, but that our actions have had influence on the motivation of those who did it.

Since when did peace through strength equal naive?
I’m not sure if you know many of his supporters, but I would guess a large chunk are 9/11 “truthers”.

I’m not sure how Pauls “close every military base not on US soil” is considered “strength”.

And I’m not sure how Robert Taft’s foriegn policy can be compared to Reagans “peace through strength” (with a hearty dose of “rollback”).

Pauls military isolationism would have lost the Cold War.
 
I’m not sure if you know many of his supporters, but I would guess a large chunk are 9/11 “truthers”.
Your guess is noted and I don’t really care what tey believe.
I’m not sure how Pauls “close every military base not on US soil” is considered “strength”.
And I’m not sure how Robert Taft’s foriegn policy can be compared to Reagans “peace through strength” (with a hearty dose of “rollback”).
Being spread out is a weakness, not a strength. Of course, being huddled together can be just as weak. Even without those bases we can strike anywhere in the world in a short period of time.

Peace through strength can coexist with non-interventionism quite easily. As Herman Cain said here in Oklahoma, and I paraphrase…It doesn’t take a rocket scientist, even though I am one. I’m not a rocket scientist, but its not that hard to figure out.
Pauls military isolationism would have lost the Cold War.
How so?
 
Russia would have easily moved into western Europe, if not de facto, then de jure. Who would have stopped them? The French Army?
I didn’t notice he said isolationism, but if you guys want to take a minute and read Ron Paul’s foreign policy section in Wikipedia, I’m on my phone or I would copy and paste it for you.

But please get back to me and point out the parts where it said he is an isolationist and didnt support Ronald Reagan’s decisions at that time. Also let me know what Ronald Reagan said about Dr. Pauls foreign policy…I can’t quite remember, I’m sure he didn’t support all that isolationist stuff, he must have said something like…Ron Paul’s an isolationist fruitcake…or something along those lines…

Anyway, I’ll check back on my phone in a few, I’m sure you can dig up something.
 
What a sadness that Gingrich, with all of his baggage, his arrogance, his wild statements, and much else may be nominated for president. It somehow brings to mind the story of Adam and Eve when they were tempted by the snake in the garden. I don’t know why that came to mind, but it did.
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I watch 'Morning Joe' with some regularity and Scarborough's deep hostility toward Gingrich has impressed me. Joe wants to support the GOP but obviously has little respect for Newt, whom he knows well. His problem seems to be that he doesn't trust the integrity, the stability and/or the stature of Gingrich to fill that most important office in the **United States**.

 Of course, if Newt is nominated, Obama probably could be reelected. What a choice! What a lost opportunity!
Correction.
The world keeps spinning without the USA. It certainly wasn’t born with the US and the US is not the center of this world.

And you ask why everyone in the world hates the US.

-MontChevalier
 
I’m not sure if you know many of his supporters, but I would guess a large chunk are 9/11 “truthers”.

I’m not sure how Pauls “close every military base not on US soil” is considered “strength”.

And I’m not sure how Robert Taft’s foriegn policy can be compared to Reagans “peace through strength” (with a hearty dose of “rollback”).

Pauls military isolationism would have lost the Cold War.
He is NOT an isolationist. He is a non-interventionist. And he would fully engage in a war that Congress had the stones to declare. However, the last 70 years of Presidents seemed fit to hide behind the “War Powers” act.
 
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 **Sorry if I stepped on your toes.** I doubt if everyone in the world hates the USA. I have scads of Canadian kinfolk (French Canadian) and they can be critical of US policies (as Americans are, of course), but none - to my knowledge - hates the USA.
** I am not a superpatriot, but I think it is a fact that the President of the United States probably is the most important politician in the world - still.** That may change, of course, if China becomes the No. 1 power in the world. I would guess that the leaders in Russia and perhaps Germany are next, though different people might have other opinions. Fine. I don’t know where you live, but we here in the USA still enjoy freedom of speech, Well, maybe not entirely. Those with money certainly have an advantage because of their ownership of the media. Certainly the radio airwaves are overwhelmed by hard-noses superpatriots, and it’s sad.
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  **One other thing. Perhaps the best example of media bias concerns Israel**. Rarely - almost never - does any US newspaper, columnist, commentator or politician dare say a word of criticism of Israel. Just today I heard on the news that the Republican candidates for president pledged their wholehearted support to that government. Newt, for example, said he would immediately move the US embassy to Jerusalem. Frankly, I think that this bias in our media, plus Christian Zionists, have misled the public on the complexities of that whole Israeli-Palestinian issue, and much of the terrorism directed against the USA can be traced back to that. We could and should have been both pro-Israel and pro-Palestinian, making sure, among other things, that Palestinians were treated fairly, including generous compensation for their lands that were seized. How many lives and how many billions upon billions that would have saved!

  But I'm not keeping strictly on the thread, except that Newt nd others are working hard to canvas Jewish votes, and especially money from wealthy Jews. **Ron Paul has ****shown guts on this issue**, one of the handful in Congress who dared vote against the billions in our taxes that have gone to Israel - perhaps a trillion when everything is added and allowance is made for inflation.

  This deserves a book, but it's too long already. **I just want to add that the USA is very** **generous to most of the world.** When disasters hit anywhere in the world, our hearts and our pocketbooks open up. Some of our policies have been bad, and listening to the Republicans if they win they won't be any better, probably worse. But Obama hasn't been great in this, also.
** Personally, with its faults, and with its checkered history, I love my country and am proud to be an American.** I do pray that we can be better than we are.
 
Correction.
The world keeps spinning without the USA. It certainly wasn’t born with the US and the US is not the center of this world.

And you ask why everyone in the world hates the US.

-MontChevalier
He didn’t wonder why the world hates the US. The world looks up to the US. Did I miss something in the thread?

That is not at all what I am getting out of his posts.
 
He didn’t wonder why the world hates the US. The world looks up to the US. Did I miss something in the thread?

That is not at all what I am getting out of his posts.
So you claim.

-MontChevalier
 
So you claim.

-MontChevalier
Well, it use to be the case.

I remember reading a book called The Secrets of Sherwood Forrest, it talked about Sam Noble sending a bunch of cowboy’s over to England to drill oil wells under the cover of the trees. First thing they did when they got into town was go to a store and bought up all the bicycles. If I remember right, the folks there were very welcoming and thought these guys were pretty amazing roughneck cowboys. Like they’d seen them in a movie or read about them in a book but never seen one in real life or something. It’s a pretty good book, well worth the read.

I’m sure it might still be the case to a certain extent today, maybe not quite as excited.
 
Well, it use to be the case.

I remember reading a book called The Secrets of Sherwood Forrest, it talked about Sam Noble sending a bunch of cowboy’s over to England to drill oil wells under the cover of the trees. First thing they did when they got into town was go to a store and bought up all the bicycles. If I remember right, the folks there were very welcoming and thought these guys were pretty amazing roughneck cowboys. Like they’d seen them in a movie or read about them in a book but never seen one in real life or something. It’s a pretty good book, well worth the read.

I’m sure it might still be the case to a certain extent today, maybe not quite as excited.
Interesting.
 
Whenever I listen to Gingrich, he seems to me to be an ignorant man’s idea of an educated man. He himself may be quite clever, but the persona he has taken on does not seem to have the full weight of his intellectual honesty behind it.
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Ah. The supporters of Gingrich are all a bunch of ignorant hicks. That is the mantra of the left isn’t it? In fact, liberals essentially believe that conservatives are either a bunch of idiots (clinging to their guns and religion) and fooled by the “clever” Gingrich into supporting him or… they are evil and want to kick grandma out into the street and cut her social security and medicare. That is pretty much it. I’ve been reading posts like this for quite a while. They accuse Gingrich of not really being an intellectual - because everyone knows that a true intellectual would be a liberal ! But he’s “clever” and able to hoodwink the hicks that just don’t know what’s best for them. Gingrich was educated and intellectual enough to receive his Ph.D. from Tulane. Or was Tulane fooled by Gingrich as well? And was he “intellectual” enough to teach at the University level? I suppose for liberals he would not be as intellectual as a Gender and Women’s studies professor at Berkeley? What nonsense.

Ishii
 
Well, it use to be the case.

I remember reading a book called The Secrets of Sherwood Forrest, it talked about Sam Noble sending a bunch of cowboy’s over to England to drill oil wells under the cover of the trees. First thing they did when they got into town was go to a store and bought up all the bicycles. If I remember right, the folks there were very welcoming and thought these guys were pretty amazing roughneck cowboys. Like they’d seen them in a movie or read about them in a book but never seen one in real life or something. It’s a pretty good book, well worth the read.

I’m sure it might still be the case to a certain extent today, maybe not quite as excited.
That’s just a fictional book. That doesn’t prove anything. A bunch of Cowboys enter England to drill oil wells? That doesn’t offend the English for stealing from their land? Same story from Iraq. They’ll “get shoes thrown at them.” In this case, teacups.

-MontChevalier
 
That’s just a fictional book. That doesn’t prove anything. A bunch of Cowboys enter England to drill oil wells? That doesn’t offend the English for stealing from their land? Same story from Iraq. They’ll “get shoes thrown at them.” In this case, teacups.

-MontChevalier
LoL, it’s based on actual events. They were there to help England produce oil faster. At the time it took other countries 2 or 3 times longer to drill an oil well than here in America. We had perfected drilling. After the war some of them even stayed to teach middle easterner’s how to drill a well faster.

It is anecdotal though, for some reason the topic reminded me of the book.
 
Go onto You Tube…do yourself a favor, and listen to all of Gingrich’s speeches from the last THREE years. This guy has been trying to even help our congress to get back to the Constitution for years now.

He’s done DVD’s on Washington and Jefferson, the Declaration of Independence, The Constitution.

These libs do not want him in there, because he has stated MANY TIMES in his speeches that he would do away with whole COURTS like the 9th circuit as Jefferson did away with whole swaths of government departments. Jefferson did away with circuit courts and more. Gingrich is for cutting the government.

I wouldn’t listen to anyone…I’d do what Glenn Beck says to do: Go to the source itself. Listen to his speeches…look up what he’s been doing for the past so many years since he’s been out of the house, and see how his opinion has changed…esp. since he’s begun to see the Obama administration try to bring in actual MARXISM into our government. He believes this man is more than a socialist…he believes they’re actual Marxists, and has said so over and over.
 
LoL, it’s based on actual events. They were there to help England produce oil faster. At the time it took other countries 2 or 3 times longer to drill an oil well than here in America. We had perfected drilling. After the war some of them even stayed to teach middle easterner’s how to drill a well faster.

It is anecdotal though, for some reason the topic reminded me of the book.
I don’t believe you. And you can think in your elitist way as much as you want on how the world views the US. But it IS the most hated country in the world.

-MontChevalier
 
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