So you are questioning the sincerity or validity of Mr. Gingrich’s reconciliation and penance as administered by the Catholic Church?
That’s not what I am doing.
I pointed out the misnomer and to be wary of trivializing sins as mistakes, not that Gingrich is guilty of it. He is probably ignorant…
You are acting defensive for no reason that relates to the Faith, but it is sanctimony on behalf of your partisanship.
I already pointed out this is no different than discussing Joe Biden or any Catholic politician. Even Santorum can be discussed. read my posts and don’t falsely accuse me.
I am no more questioning the sincerity of Gingrich screw ups in the public eyes. When it comes to policy than you guys do to Nancy Pelosi.
I really don’t know how Gingrich repents daily. But i can judge what I see publicly. And from the reports.
His private sins were public scandal. Just like Bill Clinton.
But Gingrich apparently is becoming a special protected class among Republicans.
“Rooting out” the sins Mr. Gingrich has been Reconciled for, quite frankly, is none of your business.
There’s a difference between pointing , signs of a penitent. I didn’t say it was my business. And signs of someone who goes out and endorses a pro abortionist, gay marriage, moments after he lets everyone know.
First of all Gingrich made his conversion public. More public than tony blair.
So when Tony blair goes out and does something to scandalize the faithful. it’s none of our business.
you are too partisan towards Newt and start attack the poster who is n’t really attacking Newt’ privately. But his public actions. You watch yourself.
There is a significant difference between being sincerely concerned that someone has a systemic flaw of character he may or may not have gotten under control (he might “fall off the wagon” again) and running around castigating someone for being a sinner and “not taking his sins seriously.” One is prudence. The other is acting exactly like a Pharisee in Jesus’s time.
Nothing in Church teaching requires us to walk around in public flagellation for things that Christ has already absolved us of - only to continue to reject our sins. Nothing in Church teaching instructs us to look down upon or disparage the penitent either - quite the opposite, actually.
I am not acting like a Pharisee. I just am very serious about the faith and have ongoing catechisis, and keep trying to build. Maybe we aren’t at the same point but I am speaking from what I know of the Faith. Saints lives
And there was a time when the Church would make the penitent do public acts…
You are perceiving me to act like a pharisee but I am not.
I am concerned because I believe when you really are embracing Christ you seek first the kingdom of God. Not start preparing your way through poitical machinery, PR rehabilitations. While being caught in not so humble, not Catholic things such as some public dishonesty. For instance his inconsistency.
A priest saidthat it isn’t wise for Gingrich who had as you put it “character flaws” exacerbated by the trappings of Power.
So you are actually in correct. It is an act of charity for me to be wary.
For instance St. Francis tested St. Anthony’s humility by being hard on him.
Why should we voters be so easygoing about our public servants.
Again, above in your quote you are conflating a man’ as if he has no control. Sin is only an addiction, through bad habits. That’s all i meant, you have to root them out. I am no more a pharisee, than wishing Newt if he wanted to be president, would have waited a little longer.
“It seems to me,” Professor Beckwith wrote, “that a man whose sins arose as a consequence of the pursuit of political power and the unwise use of it after he became Speaker of the House should not be seeking the most powerful office in the world.”
Again it is a sign of the times that sins are now called “mistakes”
a mistake is forgetting to carry the one in math.
a mistake is making a wrong measurement or putting two eggs instead of three.
Sin is an act of the will, and disobedience and defiance of God.
Sin is very serious. And it is a sign of the times that Christians now view sins as “mistakes”
It is no more doubting God’s grace for me to want to see action, and works. Rather than just words.
Just as Christ is no more casting doubt on his saving power, when he mentions that there are those , say “Lord, Lord” with their words, and he rejects them.
A sign of God’s grace working in the soul working with God’s grace would be striving towards humility. Meekness. Which is restraint.
I don’t expect him to act like a Saint, holy person no more than I screw up in cooperating…
However, I know I would never say “life begins at implantation” that is basic. Even Father Z said so.
And I would never promote a pro gay, pro abortionist right after I had a tearful embrace of the Faith and entering Christ’s body months earlier.
