Glenn Beck says to run away from churches who preach social justice?

[Michaeljc4]

JosephDavid, when faced with poverty, our first response as Christians needs to be personal. Mother Teresa was once asked how someone could help her in her work. She said, go find a person who thinks that they are totally alone and convince them that they are not. If you see poverty in the place where you live, do something about it! You, personally. If that’s not enough, join with other like minded folks (a church is a great place to do that!) and help. If that’s not enough, petition your state government to set up programs to help. And if that’s not enough, turn to the federal government.

Each piece of the chain I’ve just described is important, but I fear that since Roosevelt and Johnson, the order has become reversed: people look to Washington first, their state second, voluntary organizations third…and themselves last. We as Christians are called to–personally–help the poor. Jesus tells us that he will judge us on how well we treat ‘the least of these.’ Merely advocating for the government to do something is not sufficient, and quite frankly, puts a very comfortable distance between the individual (you or I) and the person in need. It’s all too easy to advocate for the rich to pay more taxes while ignoring the people in your own community who need help.

Likewise, the results of many social programs have been–at best–mixed. We have spent, quite literally, hundres of billions of dollars on programs of social assistance, and we still have a great number of people living in poverty. Clearly something different needs to happen.

This is just my opinion, but I think the Faith Based Initiative is wonderful: the power of the government used to help those who, by virtue of their faith, are making direct contact with those in need to help them. That’s a government program I am happy to pay for.

 

[jrabs]

I have never, ever heard Glenn Beck speak of hatred or violent revolutions! He has only spoke of getting to the truth from our politicians. Getting back to what the Founders had envisioned for our country. I have been listening to him for quite some time now.

Thanks JulieAA - you are so right.

 

[Musician]

Lets pray his rhetoric does not get some one killed. I will not be suprised some one will commit murder professing on what Glenn Beck says.

I hope I am wrong but I am seeing others speak like that and using terms of violent revolution.

Glenn Beck is quite rational. I can’t help but think that some of these posters are taking some of his comments totally out of context. I just went to see him (as well as Sarah Palin) in Tulsa this past weekend. He simply points things out from a conservative point of view. I am a conservative, which is why I agree with much of what he says.
BTW, it is our duty to overthrow any government that becomes tyrannical.

 

[josephdavid]

JosephDavid, when faced with poverty, our first response as Christians needs to be personal. Mother Teresa was once asked how someone could help her in her work. She said, go find a person who thinks that they are totally alone and convince them that they are not. If you see poverty in the place where you live, do something about it! You, personally. If that’s not enough, join with other like minded folks (a church is a great place to do that!) and help. If that’s not enough, petition your state government to set up programs to help. And if that’s not enough, turn to the federal government.

Each piece of the chain I’ve just described is important, but I fear that since Roosevelt and Johnson, the order has become reversed: people look to Washington first, their state second, voluntary organizations third…and themselves last. We as Christians are called to–personally–help the poor. Jesus tells us that he will judge us on how well we treat ‘the least of these.’ Merely advocating for the government to do something is not sufficient, and quite frankly, puts a very comfortable distance between the individual (you or I) and the person in need. It’s all too easy to advocate for the rich to pay more taxes while ignoring the people in your own community who need help.

Likewise, the results of many social programs have been–at best–mixed. We have spent, quite literally, hundres of billions of dollars on programs of social assistance, and we still have a great number of people living in poverty. Clearly something different needs to happen.

This is just my opinion, but I think the Faith Based Initiative is wonderful: the power of the government used to help those who, by virtue of their faith, are making direct contact with those in need to help them. That’s a government program I am happy to pay for.

Please read Scripture, the Catechism, writing of the Church Doctors and Popes you will see that it is the responsibility of the invdividual, business and government to work collectively together and invidually to fight against poverty and agression.

With that said no where did I say it is the sole responsibility of the goverment. For it is not. They have some responsibility to assist when needed. Those who think otherwise are not reading my writing properly.

You mentioned Roosevelt and Johnson. However you may have forgotten Theodore Roosevelt, Thomas Payne (founding father), Thomas Jefferson, Eisenhower, Nixon.

 

[jrabs]

Although I might be mistaken, I think that Glenn Beck is a fallen-away Catholic who is now personally invested as a mormon. If this is fact, then I can’t imagine that Glenn Beck is seeking truth since he has walked away from truth and the Sacraments.

This comment of his has NOTHING to do with his being a Mormon.

Would posters please stop with the Mormon card? It actually has nothing to do with his position on the warping of the term Social Justice. Honestly, there are good Mormons out there and there are horrible Chrisitians out there.

It has everything to do with not being sheeple and following a crowd of legislators that will lead us down the wrong path. It has to do with examining programs masked as Social Justice, but evidently evil when looked at more closely…for example the Healthcare bill and an expansion of abortion that would go hand in hand with the current Senate bill.

Some people may say we need to accept this bill because it promotes Social Justice. Does it? Does it really? Is this what is meant by Social Justice?
Is granting amnesty to millions of people illegally here in the US part of Social Justice? Some would say yes, others say no.

This is what Glenn is talking about. he never said stop being charitable.

Having the Government take care of the masses…Glenn is trying to make people realize that a chairtiable offering based on free will is far better then a tax derived entitlement.

 

[JulieAA]

No where in Scriptures will you ever read Jesus telling the “government” to help/feed the poor. If the government “forces” us to help the poor, where is the “charity”? It is of no consequence to Jesus when people are forced to do something against their will. Jesus only sees what comes from the heart!

 

[Rachael]

This man annoys me to no end which is why I stopped watching his program quite awhile ago. I have no desire to listen to him and his opinions. What authority does he have for me to listen to him in the first place?

 

[jrabs]

Please read Scripture, the Catechism, writing of the Church Doctors and Popes you will see that it is the responsibility of the invdividual, business and government to work collectively together and invidually to fight against poverty and agression.

See, now I am convinced that you really do not know a thing about GB. He has never said stop taking care of people. Stop being charitable, stop helping others. He wants the ability to decide who to help. He does not want the government decidiing for him because then that is not charity, it is taxation.

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Big difference, my brother in Christ…It is so easy to make a knee jerk reaction to a titilating headline.

 

[josephdavid]

No where in Scriptures will you ever read Jesus telling the “government” to help/feed the poor. If the government “forces” us to help the poor, where is the “charity”? It is of no consequence to Jesus when people are forced to do something against their will. Jesus only sees what comes from the heart!

So if Jesus said “You are a politician so you do not have to do good”… Are we only to follow the Gospals? Have you read the Old Testement?

Have you read the CCC?

How are you being forced by the way? I am curious to know.

 

[josephdavid]

See, now I am convinced that you really do not know a thing about GB. He has never said stop taking care of people. Stop being charitable, stop helping others. He wants the ability to decide who to help. He does not want the government decidiing for him because then that is not charity, it is taxation.

Big difference, my brother in Christ. .

So taxation is a sin? The government has no right to tax? Sorry just trying to understand your point.

 

[JulieAA]

So if Jesus said “You are a politician so you do not have to do good”… Are we only to follow the Gospals? Have you read the Old Testement?

Have you read the CCC?

How are you being forced by the way? I am curious to know.

I never said that a “politician” does not have to do good. What I said was that a “politician aka government” should not “force” charity on anyone…it should come only from the heart.

We are to follow “traditions” as well as the Scripture. Yes, I have read the OT and the CCC…where does it say the government should force us to help??..Jesus only looks at the heart whether it is the citizen or the politician.

 

[catharina]

This comment of his has NOTHING to do with his being a Mormon.

Would posters please stop with the Mormon card? It actually has nothing to do with his position on the warping of the term Social Justice. Honestly, there are good Mormons out there and there are horrible Chrisitians out there.

It has everything to do with not being sheeple and following a crowd of legislators that will lead us down the wrong path. It has to do with examining programs masked as Social Justice, but evidently evil when looked at more closely…for example the Healthcare bill and an expansion of abortion that would go hand in hand with the current Senate bill.

Some people may say we need to accept this bill because it promotes Social Justice. Does it? Does it really? Is this what is meant by Social Justice?
Is granting amnesty to millions of people illegally here in the US part of Social Justice? Some would say yes, others say no.

This is what Glenn is talking about. he never said stop being charitable.

Having the Government take care of the masses…Glenn is trying to make people realize that a chairtiable offering based on free will is far better then a tax derived entitlement.

You seem to have missed my point. Glenn Beck abandoned the Catholic faith, the Church and her Sacraments. Whether he became mormon, pentecostal, jehovah witness, lutheran, etc. is not the point. My point is that as a Catholic, I do not follow the “moral” teachings of a lapsed Catholic or for that matter of any objectionable Catholic. I’m following the lead of our Bishops re healthcare. Several threads are now active on CA about this very issue. (Social Justice, Politics and Catholi News hold such threads.) At no time do I expect to learn Catholic morality from Glenn Beck.

 

[JulieAA]

So taxation is a sin? The government has no right to tax? Sorry just trying to understand your point.

Render to Caesar what is Caesars…and to God what is Gods…of course the government has every right to tax…my point is how God looks at this.

 

[catharina]

This man annoys me to no end which is why I stopped watching his program quite awhile ago. I have no desire to listen to him and his opinions. What authority does he have for me to listen to him in the first place?

None - and that’s my point too.

 

[JulieAA]

You seem to have missed my point. Glenn Beck abandoned the Catholic faith, the Church and her Sacraments. Whether he became mormon, pentecostal, jehovah witness, lutheran, etc. is not the point. My point is that as a Catholic, I do not follow the “moral” teachings of a lapsed Catholic or for that matter of any objectionable Catholic. I’m following the lead of our Bishops re healthcare. Several threads are now active on CA about this very issue. (Social Justice, Politics and Catholi News hold such threads.) At no time do I expect to learn Catholic morality from Glenn Beck.

Are you saying that “moral teachings” of anyone other than a Catholic is wrong? The Bishops here in CA are not for the healthcare program as described. Abortion is still a very large point. Where on this earth will our grandchildren get the money to pay for this plan? You pay 3 years in advance and receive nothing in return. There is NO money to pay for this program. Now they are trying to attach student loans to this bill. Dear Ms. Pelosi (ardent Catholic…her words, not mine) says we will all embrace this program once it is revealed. What??? Shouldn’t we all understand what this bill contains before getting on the band wagon for a socialist program?

 

[jrabs]

So taxation is a sin? The government has no right to tax? Sorry just trying to understand your point.

Who said that? Are you trying to spin my words? I am sorry, my brother, it does not work that way.

Taxation is not a sin. We should all pay our taxes and that is exactly the point I am making. Paying taxes is required, not optional. I do believe that giving charitable is of free will. We are also called to help others charitably.

Let’s say that at the end of the payweek I have $50 left to spend freely. I give $30 to my diocese for Catholic Services and I spend $20 on bills. My charity of choice.

BAM - new legislation passes for a brand new entitlement.

Next week, the govt decides to raise my taxes to fund this new entitlement so now I am left with $30 to spend frreely after payroll taxes. I can now give $10 to Catholic Charities and spend $20 on my bills.

The govt has now taken that extra $20 from me for the funding of their entitlement and decided how they will spend the money. It is no longer my charitable offering, it is now a tax. I am obligated to pay all my taxes.

When the govt decides that I need to hand over more and more taxes so that I can help my fellow American in the programs that Uncle Sam selects, then I have no choice in the matter.

Glen Beck is warning that we need to be careful of the programs rolled into the new title Social Justice. It’s a phrase that we are being taught is appropriate and honorable to defend. But with everything, we need to look under the hood with our eyes open. All is not what it appears.

 

[catharina]

Are you saying that “moral teachings” of anyone other than a Catholic is wrong? The Bishops here in CA are not for the healthcare program as described. Abortion is still a very large point. Where on this earth will our grandchildren get the money to pay for this plan? You pay 3 years in advance and receive nothing in return. There is NO money to pay for this program. Now they are trying to attach student loans to this bill. Dear Ms. Pelosi (ardent Catholic…her words, not mine) says we will all embrace this program once it is revealed. What??? Shouldn’t we all understand what this bill contains before getting on the band wagon for a socialist program?

I’m saying that the ‘moral teachings’ of Glenn Beck hold no relevance to me. I can (and do) say the very same about Nancy Pelosi. Your attempt to argue with me based on your false assumptions about me are close to toxic. I have been very active in pro-life work for more than 40 years - always as a Catholic - and I remain so. Please separate the wheat from chaff before accusing me of a false belief.

 

[jrabs]

You seem to have missed my point. Glenn Beck abandoned the Catholic faith, the Church and her Sacraments. Whether he became mormon, pentecostal, jehovah witness, lutheran, etc. is not the point. My point is that as a Catholic, I do not follow the “moral” teachings of a lapsed Catholic or for that matter of any objectionable Catholic. I’m following the lead of our Bishops re healthcare. Several threads are now active on CA about this very issue. (Social Justice, Politics and Catholi News hold such threads.) At no time do I expect to learn Catholic morality from Glenn Beck.

And you miss my point, dear sister. I understand that Glenn is NOT teaching us morality. I laugh if you think people are looking to Glenn for a moral compass. Glenn is warning us that all is not what it appears.

I also follow my Bishop and Mother Church, but there are programs wrapped in the pretty package of Social Justice that are not good and pure and holy.
We do not pass healthcare, carte blanche rights to abortions in the name of healthhcare - an ohhh so pretty and wonderful packaging.

We look under the hood to see what is really being wrapped and packaged for us.
The shinny bows and baubbles carry our country to destruction. There are other ways to the means that the Bishops teach about. And that is what Glenn talks about.

Those are what Glenn warns of. And any person regardless of religion can heed those warnings, no? We should all have ears to hear.

 

[catharina]

It might serve Our Lord and the Church far better if folks decide to fight the Obamacare initiatives rather than accepting them as established fact. Working out one’s budget according to “new possible” taxes is futile. Fight the fight today in a Godly manner.

 

[JulieAA]

I’m saying that the ‘moral teachings’ of Glenn Beck hold no relevance to me. I can (and do) say the very same about Nancy Pelosi. Your attempt to argue with me based on your false assumptions about me are close to toxic. I have been very active in pro-life work for more than 40 years - always as a Catholic - and I remain so. Please separate the wheat from chaff before accusing me of a false belief.

You have every right in the world to listen to whomever you please and if Glenn Beck is not that person, then so be it!

I have NEVER attempted to argue with you or anyone on this site. That is not my nature (thank God), so please do not put a label on me either. I applaud your participation in pro-life work and you should be commended for that work. Again, I NEVER accused you of any false belief and am only giving my opinions which should be respected as well.