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The saying I’ve heard is “it’s a long way from the bridge to the water”
Go to Hell - Stay there forever
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Mortal sin is not simply a bad sin. A bad sin only meets one of the criteria of a mortal sin, in that it is a sin of grave matter.
When God says, for example, adulterers will not inherit the kingdom of heaven, he is talking about someone who, in their character, is an adulterer. Not someone who only commits the sin. Otherwise there would be no chance to repent after someone committed the sin of adultery once.
I think Catholics mistakenly equate sin of grave matter with mortal sin. Mortal sin is basically sin by which, not only have you committed a grave sin, but you have willfully rejected God in order to do so and afterwards you do not desire to repent. You desire and attach yourself to sin at the cost of your relationship with God and you have decided that is what you want.
During an excorcism a priest asked a demon a few questions. Did you know that what you chose was wrong? Did you know the consequences? Now that you experienced the consequences would you make the same choice again? To which the demon answered yes to all three questions.
Mortal sin of which you do not repent is therefore a desire for sin more so than God.
The only question remaining is whether God is willing to be merciful to give us a chance to repent. The answer is yes absolutely. Therefore hell is reserved for those who desire it as the cost to keep access to sin.
Do you really want access to Gods kingdom where there is no room for pride? Where Christ is honored instead of you? I don’t even think sexual relations occur in heaven as no one is married in heaven. Is this the kingdom you choose? Of course I know very little about heaven. Just something to consider…
When God says, for example, adulterers will not inherit the kingdom of heaven, he is talking about someone who, in their character, is an adulterer. Not someone who only commits the sin. Otherwise there would be no chance to repent after someone committed the sin of adultery once.
I think Catholics mistakenly equate sin of grave matter with mortal sin. Mortal sin is basically sin by which, not only have you committed a grave sin, but you have willfully rejected God in order to do so and afterwards you do not desire to repent. You desire and attach yourself to sin at the cost of your relationship with God and you have decided that is what you want.
During an excorcism a priest asked a demon a few questions. Did you know that what you chose was wrong? Did you know the consequences? Now that you experienced the consequences would you make the same choice again? To which the demon answered yes to all three questions.
Mortal sin of which you do not repent is therefore a desire for sin more so than God.
The only question remaining is whether God is willing to be merciful to give us a chance to repent. The answer is yes absolutely. Therefore hell is reserved for those who desire it as the cost to keep access to sin.
Do you really want access to Gods kingdom where there is no room for pride? Where Christ is honored instead of you? I don’t even think sexual relations occur in heaven as no one is married in heaven. Is this the kingdom you choose? Of course I know very little about heaven. Just something to consider…
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The excerpt came to mind, is written by Father Carota during his illness … he writes:
Struggling to live by eating when ever I can, tiny bits to survive, because my digestive system does not want food and it keeps just causes bloating, I am constantly reminded of death and eternity. Once we have made it through this life, and through purgatory, we will then begin the great time of eternity in God’s love. So may we avoid hell for all eternity with God’s grace and our strong fight against sin and go to Heaven. Our life is to avoid sin and hell and to go to heaven with God, Mary, the saints and all the angels. Let us pray for each other and help each other go to heaven.
Father Carota
The original author of this blog passed away in July of 2016. RIP Father Carota.
The excerpt came to mind, is written by Father Carota during his illness … he writes:
Struggling to live by eating when ever I can, tiny bits to survive, because my digestive system does not want food and it keeps just causes bloating, I am constantly reminded of death and eternity. Once we have made it through this life, and through purgatory, we will then begin the great time of eternity in God’s love. So may we avoid hell for all eternity with God’s grace and our strong fight against sin and go to Heaven. Our life is to avoid sin and hell and to go to heaven with God, Mary, the saints and all the angels. Let us pray for each other and help each other go to heaven.
Father Carota
The original author of this blog passed away in July of 2016. RIP Father Carota.
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These are His unchangeable rules. In time we have a chance to choose; in eternity there is no time to choose.
Everyone is a sinner, but there’s a big difference between venial and mortal sins. God calls us to repent every second of your life; being in mortal sin means being in the territory of the devil; one cannot take mortal sin lightly, or commit the sin of presumption. those who are obstinate in serious sin are on the broad road that leads to the abyss.
‘If they have escaped the corruption of the world by knowing our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ and are again entangled in it and are overcome, they are worse off at the end than they were at the beginning. It would have been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than to have known it and then to turn their backs on the sacred command that was passed on to them. Of them the proverbs are true: “A dog returns to its vomit,” -2 Peter 2:20-22
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EVIL; CATHOLIC ENCYCLOPEDIA
We cannot say without denying the Divine omnipotence, that another equally perfect universe could not be created in which evil would have no place.
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/05649a.htm
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310 But why did God not create a world so perfect that no evil could exist in it?
With infinite power God could always create something better.
But with infinite wisdom and goodness God freely willed to create a world in a state of journeying towards its ultimate perfection.
With physical good there exists also physical evil as long as creation has not reached perfection.
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314 We firmly believe that God is master of the world and of its history.
Will we fully know the ways by which - even through the dramas of evil and sin - God has guided his creation to that definitive sabbath rest for which he created heaven and earth.
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As we see above, if God would willed, He could easily create this world without the dramas of evil and sin and if He would willed, He also could create us that we would never commit even one act of sin in all our life.
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Naturally follows God willed to create this world with the dramas of evil and sin and God Hardwired us for the appetite of sin for the reason to convert our sins into greater good, this is part of the process the way, God makes us Glorified Saints.
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THE WAY OUR FREE WILL AND GOD’S GRACES WORKS;
THE MYSTERY OF PREDESTINATION John Salza
When God wills a person to perform a salutary act (e.g., prayer, good works), He grants him the means (an efficacious grace ) that infallibly produces the end ( the act willed by God ).
If God wills to permit a person to resist His grace, He grants him a sufficient, and not an efficacious, grace.
The distinctions between these graces reveal that God is responsible for man’s salvation.
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The Mystery of Predestination by John Salza, Page 113.
However, the Church teaches that God infused Adam with sufficient grace to resist temptation and to perform his duties with charity.
God, however, willed to permit Adam to reject His grace and to sin. End quote.
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THE SAME PRINCIPLE APPLIES TO US AS WELL
When God wills that we freely reject His grace and to commit and act of sin He provides us a sufficient grace and we always FREELY reject the grace and we every time FREELY commit the act of sin.
When God wills that we freely reject the temptation of sin He provides us an efficacious grace and we ALWAYS FREELY and infallibly reject the temptation of sin and we every time FREELY choose the good.
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As we see above, with the provision of sufficient and efficacious graces God perfectly governs/ aides the entire human race.
We have a power to reject efficacious grace but we NEVER reject efficacious grace, because the grace enlightens our mind and we ALWAYS FREELY and without ANY FORCE, INFALLIBLY chose the good.
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CATHOLIC ENCYCLOPEDIA Divine Providence
Nor would God permit evil at all, unless He could draw good out of evil.
Evil, therefore, ministers to God’s design
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God bless
We cannot say without denying the Divine omnipotence, that another equally perfect universe could not be created in which evil would have no place.
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/05649a.htm
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310 But why did God not create a world so perfect that no evil could exist in it?
With infinite power God could always create something better.
But with infinite wisdom and goodness God freely willed to create a world in a state of journeying towards its ultimate perfection.
With physical good there exists also physical evil as long as creation has not reached perfection.
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314 We firmly believe that God is master of the world and of its history.
Will we fully know the ways by which - even through the dramas of evil and sin - God has guided his creation to that definitive sabbath rest for which he created heaven and earth.
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As we see above, if God would willed, He could easily create this world without the dramas of evil and sin and if He would willed, He also could create us that we would never commit even one act of sin in all our life.
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Naturally follows God willed to create this world with the dramas of evil and sin and God Hardwired us for the appetite of sin for the reason to convert our sins into greater good, this is part of the process the way, God makes us Glorified Saints.
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THE WAY OUR FREE WILL AND GOD’S GRACES WORKS;
THE MYSTERY OF PREDESTINATION John Salza
When God wills a person to perform a salutary act (e.g., prayer, good works), He grants him the means (an efficacious grace ) that infallibly produces the end ( the act willed by God ).
If God wills to permit a person to resist His grace, He grants him a sufficient, and not an efficacious, grace.
The distinctions between these graces reveal that God is responsible for man’s salvation.
EXAMPLE
The Mystery of Predestination by John Salza, Page 113.
However, the Church teaches that God infused Adam with sufficient grace to resist temptation and to perform his duties with charity.
God, however, willed to permit Adam to reject His grace and to sin. End quote.
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THE SAME PRINCIPLE APPLIES TO US AS WELL
When God wills that we freely reject His grace and to commit and act of sin He provides us a sufficient grace and we always FREELY reject the grace and we every time FREELY commit the act of sin.
When God wills that we freely reject the temptation of sin He provides us an efficacious grace and we ALWAYS FREELY and infallibly reject the temptation of sin and we every time FREELY choose the good.
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As we see above, with the provision of sufficient and efficacious graces God perfectly governs/ aides the entire human race.
We have a power to reject efficacious grace but we NEVER reject efficacious grace, because the grace enlightens our mind and we ALWAYS FREELY and without ANY FORCE, INFALLIBLY chose the good.
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CATHOLIC ENCYCLOPEDIA Divine Providence
Nor would God permit evil at all, unless He could draw good out of evil.
Evil, therefore, ministers to God’s design
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God bless
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IN THE MYSTERY OF PREDESTINATION John Salza explains;
The vocation to eternal life is supernatural, it surpasses the powers of human intellect and will, he must be predestined to that end by God.
God guides all his creatures with wisdom and love to their ultimate end.
Because God’s providence governs all things, God is in control of all things and can do all things.
If humans have an intellect and free will, then why is it necessary for God to order us to our final end?
The answer: because God created heaven as our final end, and attaining heaven is above our nature and the nature of every creature.
The Catechism also states, “The vocation to eternal life is supernatural … It surpasses the power of human intellect and will, as that of every other creature.
Because man cannot attain to eternal life by his own natural efforts, he must be predestined to that end by God.
Because we cannot attain the Beatific Vision by the power of our nature, God must direct us to this end by His power and grace.
Thus, predestination is a certain and infallible truth, revealed by Scripture and taught by the Catholic Church. End quote.
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As you see above Gab123, everyone is on the broad road to hell and end up in hell whom God failed to predestine to heaven.
For our salvation/ predestination to heaven, the ball is in God’s court.
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COUNCIL OF TRENT Session 6 Chapter 8
. . . None of those things which precede justification - whether faith or works - merit the grace itself of justification.
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CCCS 1996-1998; This call to eternal life is supernatural, coming TOTALLY from God’s decision and surpassing ALL power of human intellect and will.
No ONE rejects God’s call to eternal life in heaven. – DE FIDE Dogma.
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If even one person in all Christian history would reject God’s call to heaven, would end up in hell or if would end up in hell for any reason, God would instantly lose His omniscience, DE FIDE Dogma. – We can be sure this will never happen.
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The thing is…I don’t like the idea of hell either. I wish it did not exist. But Jesus talks about hell as a lively concern, something we need to be ever aware of and avoid at all costs. If you hand sin, cut it off! he tells us, so as to avoid hell. If one believes Jesus is the Way, the Truth, and the Life, one simply has to believe in the reality of hell. On the other hand, Jesus continually shows us the way to avoid it and God’s great mercy. If we are following His way we should not be living in fear of God “throwing” us in hell. He throws no one in hell. You can ask yourself everyday of your life, am I choosing today to live in God’s grace? Or am I choosing not to–the slippery slope toward hell? Every single day of our lives starts to mold us into one path or the other.
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Of course we have to do our best and 100 % depend on God’s graces.
Everyone who is familiar with the Book of Jonah knows, one of the best answer that hell is exist or does not exist for the human race we find it in the Book of Jonah. – The Book of Jonah is the key of the enigma.
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The Ninevites where probably the most wicked sinners in the whole world, their wickedness went up to God.
God promised destruction and hell for all Ninevites, NOT FOR THE REASON OF THEIR CONDEMNATION, but for the reason the Ninevites pay attention.
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Because we are not yet perfect, we need as much warnings of hell as much we can get, not because God would throw any of His children into hell, but for the reason His children to pay attention.
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Jonah 3:4; Jonah began by going a day’s journey into the city, proclaiming, Forty more days and Nineveh will be overthrown.
For the reason to pay attention God promised distraction and hell to all Ninevites.
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Despite of all threats and promises of distractions and hell, God provided His Universal Salvation and saved all Ninevites:
Jonah 4:11; And should I not have concern for the great city of Nineveh, in which there are more than a hundred and twenty thousand people who cannot tell their right hand from their left, and also many animals?
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God promised destruction and hell to all Ninevites, and God provided Universal Salvation to the Ninevites.
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The same principle applies to the warnings and promises of hell in the New Testament.
God does not change, the way God threatened and promised hell to all Ninevites and at the end saved them all, in the same way, Practically apart from a few people God promises condemnation and hell to the entire human race , but with the same principle God will saves us all, if not, then Christ died on the cross for NOTHING.
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As NO ONE can be saved without predestined to heaven, and NO ONE lose salvation who are predestined to heaven, God’s Justice ABSOLUTELY DEMANDS that He predestine the entire human race to heaven, without it God would be an UNJUST GOD.
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Denial of Hell is a heresy.
Von Balthasar is wrong.
No Pope has ever minimised the reality of Hell.
Our Lady of Fatima showed the children a vision of Hell because she knew that foolish men would teach that all people are saved.
Von Balthasar is wrong.
No Pope has ever minimised the reality of Hell.
Our Lady of Fatima showed the children a vision of Hell because she knew that foolish men would teach that all people are saved.
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Right, it’s one thing to hope that everyone will be saved, it’s entirely different to say that all will be saved.
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Yes. This is the crucial difference. The hope of salvation should spur us to repent, pray and do penance.
This heresy is really baffling. The Bible is crystal clear on the existence of Hell. The Church has constantly taught it. The Saints have confirmed it. Our Lady of Fatima showed the children a vision of Hell. She told us that many people go to Hell and told us to pray for the conversion of sinners.
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Origen, von Balthazar and now Bishop Barron believe that no one will go to hell – this belief was condemned by the Church and it is still being raised today by “Catholics” who are supposed to adhere to the Teachings of the Church.
Maybe, Ezekiel 18 will be a good read to understand God’s mercy and justice.
Maybe, Ezekiel 18 will be a good read to understand God’s mercy and justice.
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God lacks nothing. Through love God gives to those that will choose him, to be partakers of the divine nature.
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Because that is not part of God’s plan of Salvation. He provides a lifetime of chances to repent.
Scripture says “it is appointed to man once to die, after that judgement”. Re-incarnation, bouncing back for a do-over, is simply not what God designed.
Should I get to heaven, I will understand the bigger plan. For now, I trust that God gave to us a Church and if we follow the Church we will see heaven.
Scripture says “it is appointed to man once to die, after that judgement”. Re-incarnation, bouncing back for a do-over, is simply not what God designed.
Should I get to heaven, I will understand the bigger plan. For now, I trust that God gave to us a Church and if we follow the Church we will see heaven.
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A wise priest once told me, the heart that has a true desire for heaven is one that will not commit the unpardonable sin.
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Gab123
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“Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it.”-Matt. 7:13-14
Noonsense. The whole point of free will is for us to choose to cooperate with God’s grace. God predestined every soul for heaven, thus the reason why hell is so miserable for those who end up there, knowing they were meant for heave, yet chose hell.
Virtue is only possible if vice is a choice. Thus, evil and hate is only possible when goodness and love is a choice. We are called to choose goodness and love, and God gives us the grace to do so; but you are certainly free to reject God’s grace choose evil and hate. That’s the point.
Scripture explains:
This is the message we have heard from him and declare to you: God is light; in him there is no darkness at all. If we claim to have fellowship with him and yet walk in the darkness, we lie and do not live out the truth. But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus, his Son, purifies us from all sin. If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness. If we claim we have not sinned, we make him out to be a liar and his word is not in us. -1 John 1:5-10
Here is a video of St. Faustina’s visions of Heaven and Hell— and how each soul winds up in one or the other:
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This is not for me to answer. It’s all up to God.
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Genesis315
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I cannot understand how someone could be so obstinate as to refuse to confess one mortal sin until death, and choose eternal damnation over eternal beatitude, rather than confess to wrongdoing that one time. If you won’t receive the forgiveness and mercy of God, then you won’t receive it. It’s as simple as that. God made us in His image with an intellect and will–He does not destroy our will, but respects our choices.
No one goes to Hell without the will to go there.
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