God forced me into existence

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Zatzat said:
You haven’t at all addressed the fact that God forced me into existence and I run the very serious risk of suffering eternally in hell.
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Did He Force you or allow you into existance…? After all, existance belongs to God.
 
Zatzat said:
I haven’t killed myself because I value my life. I value my family, friends and experiences. It has nothing at to do with the God you choose to believe in.
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On what basis do you ascribe “value” to anything? You would have no value without existence.
 
Zatzat said:
You haven’t at all addressed the fact that God forced me into existence and I run the very serious risk of suffering eternally in hell.
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So?

God created you with purpose, that is to know God, to love God and to serve Him so you can be with him in Heaven.

God created you because He loves you. He is calling you.

The prime torture of hell is not being able to be in friendship with God. Non-existence would not even know God exists. I maintain that that is worse.
 
Zatzat said:
Exactly.

God forces existence on us. Our entire lives, we’re apparently all deserving of hell. But our wondrous Lord has given us a way to reconcile with him…in the form of a blood sacrifice, of his own self no less!

If all this is real, I want nothing to do with any of it. Not heaven, not hell…none of it.

Where’s the opt out clause?

Existence was forced on me and now eternal damnation is my reward for being forced into existence.

How the heck does that make any sense???
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one thing you gotta understand, the monotheist religions now did not even come up with the concept of heaven and hell. it was a concept made up, so heaven and hell are imaginary places anyway.
 
TEPO said:
Did He Force you or allow you into existance…? After all, existance belongs to God.
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A) God forced me into existence

B) God forces me to choose to love him or choose to reject him

C) If I choose to love him, I get to got heaven.

D) If I choose to reject him, I get to go to hell and suffer for eternity.

All of this is possible, only because God forced me into existence and God has forced me to take part in his scheme.

There is no opt out clause.

Over 5 pages of posts and not one person has actually addressed this issue head on.
 
Zatzat said:
A) God forced me into existence

B) God forces me to choose to love him or choose to reject him

C) If I choose to love him, I get to got heaven.

D) If I choose to reject him, I get to go to hell and suffer for eternity.

All of this is possible, only because God forced me into existence and God has forced me to take part in his scheme.

There is no opt out clause.

Over 5 pages of posts and not one person has actually addressed this issue head on.
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Are you sure? Maybe you are well past the opt out point. How would you know that at the instant of your souls beginning you chose to say no?
 
Another possible assumption is that the only purpose of this life is to choose to follow God or reject Him. This is also false. This life is used as a measure of reward and punishment. All who accept Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior will go to heaven, but the amount of reward in heaven will be directly related to how closely each one followed God’s will in his life. Likewise, all those who reject Jesus Christ will go to hell and will be punished to the degree of how much evil they committed in their life. This is why God allows people to make their own choices.
 
Zatzat said:
A) God forced me into existence

B) God forces me to choose to love him or choose to reject him

C) If I choose to love him, I get to got heaven.

D) If I choose to reject him, I get to go to hell and suffer for eternity.

All of this is possible, only because God forced me into existence and God has forced me to take part in his scheme.

There is no opt out clause.

Over 5 pages of posts and not one person has actually addressed this issue head on.
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You’ve got until your last waking breath of life to repent for your wrongs and give a true apology to God for what you’ve done…

So why dont you just stop worrying about this “dilemma” God has put you in, and start worrying about being the best possible version of yourself. That’s all God really wants.

You should be thankful God has given you life. It can be a beautiful thing.
 
TEPO said:
You’ve got until your last waking breath of life to repent for your wrongs and give a true apology to God for what you’ve done…

So why dont you just stop worrying about this “dilemma” God has put you in, and start worrying about being the best possible version of yourself. That’s all God really wants.

You should be thankful God has given you life. It can be a beautiful thing.
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He is not getting this. He is stuck in a rut.
 
Marc_Anthony said:
How do you know that before you were born God didn’t ask, “Hey, I’ll give you two choices. You can come to Earth and try to earn Heaven, or I can eliminate your existence. Your pick.” And you answered, “I’ll give that salvation thing a shot, God.”?
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This is actually a possibility, since in First Principles, Origen of Alexandria taught the pre-existence of souls. On the other hand, that doctrine was rejected by the church as heterodox.

I don’t particularly like my existence, and would have opted out had God given me the choice, but that assumes I didn’t have knowledge of the nature of heaven and hell before I was born, if indeed, the pre-existence of souls is a correct doctrine and was swept under the rug by the Church in the second council of Constantinople.

Some people describe heroin as “100 times greater than the best orgasm you’ve ever had”. I’ve never tried it, but we could use the analogy for heaven. If heaven is infinitely better than heroin without the negative side effects, then any type of temporal suffering, even being scourged with a roman flagrum, spat on, having a thorn driven into your head, being nailed to a cross, and dying of suffocation would justify attaining it.

We can use the same logic with our discussion of hell. Not even the greatest possible pleasures offered to us in this world, heroin, orgies, cocaine, etc justify eternal torture, as described in the 32nd chapter of Teresa of Avila’s autobiography, the Fatima children, and the passages in the Bible.

Lastly, we can say that the mere possibility of heaven or hell, since it is of eternal duration, merits even “feigned faith” in the Roman Catholic religion, since it is the religion that is most likely to be true (I don’t feel like typing why). A nonbeliever who receives the sacraments and enters the church, even though he does not really believe, is promised the gift of faith by Christ’s own words in the New Testament. Anyone who does not seriously consider the possibility of eternal salvation or damnation, is a moron and deserves eternal torture for stupidity alone.
 
coolduude said:
Another possible assumption is that the only purpose of this life is to choose to follow God or reject Him. This is also false. This life is used as a measure of reward and punishment. All who accept Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior will go to heaven, but the amount of reward in heaven will be directly related to how closely each one followed God’s will in his life. Likewise, all those who reject Jesus Christ will go to hell and will be punished to the degree of how much evil they committed in their life. This is why God allows people to make their own choices.
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That’s awfully nice of God… Not!!!
 
dostoyevskyfan said:
Anyone who does not seriously consider the possibility of eternal salvation or damnation, is a moron and deserves eternal torture for stupidity alone.
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I seriously considered it and decided it was an absurdity. So, I’m Ok by your books, right?
 
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