Going without sex is not the end of the world!

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oh no, lets don’t turn this into a masturbation thread, please.😦

i was thinking about abstaining from sexual relations, masturbation was not even in my mind when i started this thread and bringing it up will cause the thread to go off into tangents that i don’t want it to.
I am not changing it. It is basically the same. What about being single? What choices do you have? You have two.
Having sex with someone or yourself. There is no other option, but abstaining.
 
Listen, I am not trying to hijack this thread. I have recently returned to my Faith. This subject is very difficult for me. I am a big womanizer and for me to abstain is going to be very difficult. I will try my best to do what is right.

I can just about overcome most sins, but this one will truly test me.
 
Listen, I am not trying to hijack this thread. I have recently returned to my Faith. This subject is very difficult for me. I am a big womanizer and for me to abstain is going to be very difficult. I will try my best to do what is right.

I can just about overcome most sins, but this one will truly test me.
i understand and you have my sympathy. i, myself, am going without sex until my hubby returns from afghanistan. yes, it is difficult. maybe even more so when you are used to having sex regularly. but it isn’t impossible to do.

one good thing about being catholic is that we have recourse to confession. so, if you fail, you can get absolution and start fresh. i think that such sins are probably often confessed to priest so he won’t be shocked that you or anyone else has problems in this area.🙂
 
There are some medical reasons to masturbate. Masturbation or regular sex is good for the prostate and can prevent prostate blockage.

Storing seminal fluids for long periods can also cause prostate congestion, which in turn can lead to urinary and ejaculatory pain. Regular ejaculations, either through masturbation or intercourse, can help ward off this condition.

So what do men do? There could be some serious side effects by abstaining.
You have my sympathies too. Please let go of this kind of thinking though. It is one of the types of untruths that makes celibacy difficult. In the interest of NOT hijacking Deb’s wonderful thread, I won’t go into it here. Suffice to say that this kind of thinking has been proven mistaken. True celibates do not have this type of prostate trouble. It is just another way to make it look like sexual activity is a must.

Letting go of it will help you to live a chaste life.
 
This is a great thread Deb! I agree with you completely. I am 31 and single, and am living proof it is possible to be very happy and content, while not having sex! It is not always easy, but it is definitely doable! (Athough my friends and I joke that on our annual visit to the gynocologist, the doctor can never quite believe us when we say we are not sexuality active, and have not been since our last appointment. It is to the point where some doctors make you feel embarrassed about it, because they rephrase the question so many times to make sure you are being honest).

You make a great point that married couples still practice celibacy from time–or abstain from time to time–especially those who use NFP.

Nobody dies from not having sex.

Sincerely,

Maria1212
 
(Athough my friends and I joke that on our annual visit to the gynocologist, the doctor can never quite believe us when we say we are not sexuality active, and have not been since our last appointment. It is to the point where some doctors make you feel embarrassed about it, because they rephrase the question so many times to make sure you are being honest).
It is so interesting that you bring this up! During my single years when I was making an effort to remain chaste, these kinds of questions from medical people started to make me feel like there was something wrong with me. I fell into the “everyone is doing it” idea in part because of the disbelief I faced from doctors.

They worded, and reworded the question, yet never finally said, “Hey you really are celibate. Good for you!” It was a mixed message to me. It wasn’t their fault, I know it was mine. It just would have been nice to have received support instead of being made to feel rejected and unwanted.
 
It is so interesting that you bring this up! During my single years when I was making an effort to remain chaste, these kinds of questions from medical people started to make me feel like there was something wrong with me. I fell into the “everyone is doing it” idea in part because of the disbelief I faced from doctors.

They worded, and reworded the question, yet never finally said, “Hey you really are celibate. Good for you!” It was a mixed message to me. It wasn’t their fault, I know it was mine. It just would have been nice to have received support instead of being made to feel rejected and unwanted.
when i was 16 i went to a gynocologist for an infection. my grandmother told the dr that i was a virgin. the dr took me aside and questioned me over and over and over again. he assured me that he wouldn’t tell my grandmother that i wasn’t a virgin.

he did the regular exam and actually exclaimed to the nurse, that i was a virgin. he seemed so shocked!! apparently, he could see that my hymen was still intact. my goodness, i was only 16, and virginity couldn’t have been that rare twenty years ago!

i can only imagine what his reaction would have been if i was an adult female who hadn’t had sex yet.

worse yet, if i hadn’t had a hymen due to some sort of accident then he would have thought that i had lied to him.😦
 
It is so interesting that you bring this up! During my single years when I was making an effort to remain chaste, these kinds of questions from medical people started to make me feel like there was something wrong with me. I fell into the “everyone is doing it” idea in part because of the disbelief I faced from doctors.

They worded, and reworded the question, yet never finally said, “Hey you really are celibate. Good for you!” It was a mixed message to me. It wasn’t their fault, I know it was mine. It just would have been nice to have received support instead of being made to feel rejected and unwanted.
I have felt exactly the same way. Sometimes, I feel like I am a freak, or the only one not having sex, due to their reactions. It is not easy, but spiritual and religious reasons aside, it is a smart decision. So many of my friends have gotten STDs from their boyfriends etc. Premaritial sex is so risky, and there is no “safe sex” in the single world. My life is hard enough without worrying about STDs or pregnancies.

I wish they could make a comment in my medical chart that says “Patient will let you know when she is having sex. Until then, no need to ask!”

Sincerely,

Maria1212
 
My husband and I had to go without sex during his annulment after we joined the Church. It was really hard because we are both pretty lusty. But it can be done. Heck, when he was active duty Air Force, he used to go on TDY (temporary duty) for months at a time! Of course it is possible to go without sex. Our culture seems to be obsessed with sex and it is destroying our children. Worse, it makes single people feel awful.
and what has it done to the homosexuals? We as a society treat them as though they are EXPECTED to have sex although it is totally wrong. Thank God the Church welcomes homosexuals in the right way, by asking them to take up their cross to follow Christ.
 
Hi,
I just wanted to add something for those who think celibacy is too difficult. I had a long faith journey and, back before I became a Christian, I experience several years of celibacy (after a few years of living a very unchaste life). I have to say that celibacy became easier as time went by. Your body and your mind will adjust. I never lost my desire to find a husband and to have a sexual relationship with someone I loved, but I did become content waiting for the right man to come along. This was a surprise to me, because I was raised in a completely secular home and had never known anyone who viewed celibacy as anything but ____(fill in every negative idea you can imagine). This was one of many life experiences that lead me to the truth of Catholic teaching!
 
I am a 40-something male who is “saving it” for the wedding night with the “Norsewoman”. I did discern the priesthood - even spent time at the same HS seminary as Chicago. I also have the additional burden of not having an immediate family(having lost mine before entering high school), cannot count on the extended family staying around forever, and am facing the prospect of growing old alone and might even face the same fate as the guy who was dead 4 years before he was discovered because he had no family. So, if there is anyone on this board who has the right to use the “If I can do it, what’s your girly-man excuse?” line, it is me.

That being said, I am not so arrogant as to belittle the biological differences between the genders. Some of the remarks made on this thread are “EXHIBIT A” in the often-asked question of why men are turned off by church - especially the snotty response to the one who originally brought up the gender differences (which is a LEGITIMATE POINT, by the way).

And no discussion about celibacy can be complete without considering the one group of people for whom lifelong celibacy is most a “job requirement”: Catholic priests. Part of their discernment prior to ordination centers around celibacy and the ability to handle it for the rest of their lives.

Jesus said “Not everyone can accept this teaching, only those to whom it is given to do so. Some men are incapable of sexual activity from birth; some have been deliberately made so; and some there are who have freely renounced sex for the sake of God’s reign. Let him accept this teaching who can”. (Matt. 19:11-12). (Bold emphasis mine).
 
norseman, i don’t think that anyone believes that there is not a general difference between most men and women’s reaction to sex. but blanket statements don’t take into account individual differences.

some of us females are very, very lusty. i think that you males would be shocked if you knew what type of thoughts that wondered through our minds.:o

for some women, celibacy is as difficult as it is for men. it might even be harder, because men can at least support one another emotionally. women, though, often feel strange telling each other that they have this type of problem.

hopefully ahisma wasn’t offended by anything that we wrote. i doubt that he was, he seems pretty thick skinned.🙂
 
norseman, i don’t think that anyone believes that there is not a general difference between most men and women’s reaction to sex. but blanket statements don’t take into account individual differences.

some of us females are very, very lusty. i think that you males would be shocked if you knew what type of thoughts that wondered through our minds.:o
Well, this is a female-dominated thread.

I don’t claim to know what it’s like for women - and I’m willing to hear the female side of things - but I wish some of the female posters here would have the same courtesy for us men.

All I’m asking is for some mutual respect which some of these posts lack.
 
Well, this is a female-dominated thread.

I don’t claim to know what it’s like for women - and I’m willing to hear the female side of things - but I wish some of the female posters here would have the same courtesy for us men.

All I’m asking is for some mutual respect which some of these posts lack.
I agree with where you are coming from. I found that my respect for the sexuality of both men and women increased the more I truly understood the phrase by Fr. Corapi, “Men and women are equal in dignity, but not the same.”

I sought to understand the cyclical nature of the female sex drive vs. the constant nature of the male one. These two natures can make celibacy difficult, but it is for entirely different reasons. Yes, men think about sex “every 3 minutes” as the saying goes. And women, when we clear our minds of all of the other stuff going on, think long and deep and passionate about sex. The woman’s drive tends to wax and wane, sometimes being higher and sometimes being lower than the male’s, while the male drive tends to stay on a more even, yet constant level. From everything I have studied it seems to have a lot to do with the cyclical nature of a woman’s hormone release vs. the constant release of testosterone. It further explains why many post menopausal women find themselves more lusty than before because the cyclical estrogen has dropped yet the constant, though low, testosterone remains.

So from this woman’s perspective the celibacy struggle is equally difficult in both sexes. The male’s seems to be a daily struggle that stays the same, and the female’s seems to be very strong phases of struggle followed by a reprieve. As we say in our NFP talks on periodic abstinence, “Women are like crock pots. Men are like microwaves.” 😃
 
I agree with where you are coming from. I found that my respect for the sexuality of both men and women increased the more I truly understood the phrase by Fr. Corapi, “Men and women are equal in dignity, but not the same.”

I sought to understand the cyclical nature of the female sex drive vs. the constant nature of the male one. These two natures can make celibacy difficult, but it is for entirely different reasons. Yes, men think about sex “every 3 minutes” as the saying goes. And women, when we clear our minds of all of the other stuff going on, think long and deep and passionate about sex. The woman’s drive tends to wax and wane, sometimes being higher and sometimes being lower than the male’s, while the male drive tends to stay on a more even, yet constant level. From everything I have studied it seems to have a lot to do with the cyclical nature of a woman’s hormone release vs. the constant release of testosterone. It further explains why many post menopausal women find themselves more lusty than before because the cyclical estrogen has dropped yet the constant, though low, testosterone remains.

So from this woman’s perspective the celibacy struggle is equally difficult in both sexes. The male’s seems to be a daily struggle that stays the same, and the female’s seems to be very strong phases of struggle followed by a reprieve. As we say in our NFP talks on periodic abstinence, “Women are like crock pots. Men are like microwaves.” 😃
Thank you for educating people on the female perspective.
 
So from this woman’s perspective the celibacy struggle is equally difficult in both sexes.
From my observation it seems that there is a greater degree of variation among women than among men. So for some women, continence (cellibacy is not being married, continence is not having sex) can be a tough as it is for men. But for others it’s not nearly as tough.

A while back on these very message board there were two threads running that pertained to modesty. On one thread there was a number of women who just couldn’t understand why men couldn’t control their thoughts around scantily clad females. They just thought is was all the fault of the man, and they darn well had the right to dress in any manner they pleased.

Running concurrent with that thread was ANOTHER thread with a different group of women who were lamenting how they experience the same difficulty of keeping their thoughts pure around topless men. This group of women were very sympathetic to men’s pleas for modestly dressed females, albeit they didn’t appreciate the double standard that males could go topless. They would have liked men to where a shirt also.

Also, there is less evidence that women fall into sexual sin as often as men. C-stores magazine shelves are full of porno magazines aimed at a male clientele. There are much fewer such magazines aimed at the female customers.

I think too, if you spoke with someone who gets an intimate view of people’s sex lives, like priests and marriage councelors, they will tell you there are more men who struggle with a “can’t get enough” problem.

Rather than looking at women and saying they are more difficult to warm up, you could say they are more easily cooled down. A woman with an ordinarily high libido can all but completely shut down with the stresses of raising children, or breastfeeding hormones, or just the husband’s poor approach. A woman may have a strong libido, but it can shut down after months of her husband coming in the door, grabbing the supper plate off the table, and plopping his rumpus on the sofa and turning on the tube. Come bed time her strong libido has evaporated - although his is there.
 
Thank you for educating people on the female perspective.
well, i am a female and i don’t fear that i needed education in this area:p . i agree that most women have a different level of sex drive then most men.

i think that i just really dislike the blanket statements that some people make about female/male desire. as black jaq said, women seem to vary tremendously in their sex levels… some of us really have problems in this area, others could live without sex period.

during my cycle i do have various levels of desire but my libido never seems to vanish. i wish that it did.😦

i should point out that i don’t think that i was rude to the poster, ahisma. i like him and enjoy his postings, so i can’t imagine that i would say anything impolite to him. norseman, might be referring to someone else.
 
Well, also, one thing for the women (and men) here to keep in mind is that when women hit their mid-thirties, a ‘second adolescence’ can happen, sometimes with a vengeance! And while it may have some drawbacks, like the return of acne (not as bad as the first time round, though!) and maddening lust, it also has some advantages (see ‘maddening lust’ 😛 ). And yeah, for many women, lust is absolutely as crazy as it is for many men. And that includes the physical misery men often refer to…‘pink ovaries’ are extremely unpleasant.

That said, being mistress/master of one’s own domain is pretty great when you’re single. Mirdath and I have both gone through long periods of total abstinent chastity in our lives, and religion played no part in my choice, and little in Mirdath’s I think. The clarity and genuine kindness we felt for others was enough, and love truly is more important.

That said, we’re too crazy about each other to resist, and too in love to deny each other. No, we didn’t wait until we were legal, but we aren’t Catholic, and are married in every sense except that of the legal contract (very soon now though!) – and we also wish to have children and do not have much time. If and when we ever ‘calm down’ a little (perish the thought) it won’t be so terrible. Far worse would be losing each others’ company and friendship. We’d known each other a long time before we realized we were in love, and I can’t recommend waiting until you are that close with another before having sex or getting married highly enough, because desire comes and goes, but love and friendship last forever.

Edit: okay, that last sentence didn’t really sound like I intended…:o But I can’t think of a better way to put it even so.
 
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