Greatest Threat to the Church

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MattG, I agree with Marie. Fr. Grunner is very divisive. There is a rumor about the new construction at Fatima which is trying to destroy support for the building. I pray for Fr. Grunner who acts like he is more Catholic than the Pope.
 
I think the greatest threat to the Church, especially in developed countries, is simply apathy.

We are just too darned comfortable in our big, air-conditioned houses, with our SUV’s and our little leaugue baseball and soccer games.

I think there is a disconnect between the evils present in the world, and they impact us here.

There was a surge in Church participation (I believe) after the 9/11 attacks. Nothing like immdeiate adversity to get people to examine their souls, apparently.

I am not wishing any harm on anybody. But it takes the right frame of mind to be prepared, and some people just have a way of ignoring preperations and planning. Interest in Faith requires self-examination.

And that is a low priority for some.
 
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DrCat:
Yes, I think you are right about this. Personally, I call this cancer secularism, but isn’t that just the current form of modernism?

John
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I agree with you secularism is the current form of modernism which is rampant within the Church
 
I believe the greatest threat to the Church is Modernism. Modernism encompasses other issues, such as abortion, and (unlike atheistic secularism or Protestantism) attacks the Church from within, confusing many Catholics.

Ryan King
 
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Southernrich:
Almost IMO. I think the great danger to the Church are “Catholics.” Many Catholics need to be converted to Christ.

I’ve not seen so much incivility and self-righteousness towards others of different opinions as that by “Catholics” on some of these threads. There is so little charity towards others, and so much in-your-face attitude.
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I respectfully disagree, and you don’t have to visit too many other denominations to find the same… i too have to be careful of the timber in my eye at times… i haven’t seen ANY one yet who doesn’t get excited from time to time… these forums are new… it takes a while for maners to develope, but most serious people can handle the passion without too much insult…
as for converting catholics to christ, that’s like converting ice to water… Done!.. but we are human, we fall unlike some i suppose, but we pick ourselves up, dust ourselves off and start all over again, and hopefully we will have learned a little better… be patient, i’m sure you may find one non-catholic out there in need of diplomacy training… 👍
 
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scaxter:
Two things:
  1. homosexuality, and
  2. a loss of the sense and knowledge of sin
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hmm i wonder who created homosexuality? Could it be God? Yes, i think it was God. Oh wait, that’s right, homosexuality is a choice! Genius
 
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dredgtone:
hmm i wonder who created homosexuality? Could it be God? Yes, i think it was God. Oh wait, that’s right, homosexuality is a choice! Genius
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You are not answering the threads question and are only starting a new topic about homosexuality.

Besides, I thought atheists didn’t believe in God, so how in the world would you ever come to the conclusion that God created homosexuality? Whose God??? And if you don’t believe in Him, how would you know ***what ***he has created???
 
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scaxter:
You are not answering the threads question and are only starting a new topic about homosexuality.

Besides, I thought atheists didn’t believe in God, so how in the world would you ever come to the conclusion that God created homosexuality? Whose God??? And if you don’t believe in Him, how would you know ***what ***he has created???
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Leave me out of this I’m talking about your own ignorance. I simply heard you say something stupid and I called you on it. Now please explain why homosexuals are the biggest enemy to the church.
 
How many of you still bless yourselfs when you drive by a Catholic Church?

I have heard stories from more experienced parishoners who remember days when this was the norm. I have now taken it upon myself to re-invent the sacred by blessing myself whenever I see a Catholic Church. And God has been kind. My wife is not Catholic, but she watches. And I can feel her leaning toward the faith because of the sacred.
 
I guess a great threat to the church is the same as it has probably always been… the self-interest and pride of the individual members.
Our heroic saints were and are a counter-sign to their cultures -the body of Christ - our church- still requires heroic virtue, and is threatened by the lack of it.
 
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TheQuestioner:
Our greatest threat is division.
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I agree, we are imploding. The “Left” has way too much authority, however, a house divided falls.
 
I kind of agree with all of you about the different issues challenging the church today, lack of faith, lack of a sense of sin, disunity without and within the church, abortion, euthanasia, etc., but dispite all of the problems we have been assured that the gates of hell shall not prevail. I for one am very encouraged. No longer are faithful catholics sitting on the sidelines with closed mouths. A great example is this forum. We are finally picking up our crosses and going out and engaging others in real dialogue.

If you study the early church during its first persecution you will find that the people would meet in each other’s homes in cenacle format to pray together, the Mass, etc. During all of the persecutions of the church the underground church goes into this same cenacle format. I am blessed to be part of a cenacle prayer group now and it is growing very quickly. The people who are coming in are seeking the true church and are being blessed in extraordinary ways. The persecution may even be upon us yet the Lord will take care of us and brings us together. This forum is another great example of that.

I feel that although we constantly see the barrage of influences and confusion all around us we should be very careful to not be overly concerned with any of it. As John Paul II says “Be not Afraid.” I am filled with great Hope, and all the people on this site certainly see this great Hope even here.

I think we are all living in some very exciting times and we all have great opportunities for the Lord.

I hope this was an encouraging word! God Bless!
 
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elgom:
I kind of agree with all of you about the different issues challenging the church today, lack of faith, lack of a sense of sin, disunity without and within the church, abortion, euthanasia, etc., but dispite all of the problems we have been assured that the gates of hell shall not prevail. I for one am very encouraged. No longer are faithful catholics sitting on the sidelines with closed mouths. A great example is this forum. We are finally picking up our crosses and going out and engaging others in real dialogue.

If you study the early church during its first persecution you will find that the people would meet in each other’s homes in cenacle format to pray together, the Mass, etc. During all of the persecutions of the church the underground church goes into this same cenacle format. I am blessed to be part of a cenacle prayer group now and it is growing very quickly. The people who are coming in are seeking the true church and are being blessed in extraordinary ways. The persecution may even be upon us yet the Lord will take care of us and brings us together. This forum is another great example of that.

I feel that although we constantly see the barrage of influences and confusion all around us we should be very careful to not be overly concerned with any of it. As John Paul II says “Be not Afraid.” I am filled with great Hope, and all the people on this site certainly see this great Hope even here.

I think we are all living in some very exciting times and we all have great opportunities for the Lord.

I hope this was an encouraging word! God Bless!
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What is a cenacle?
 
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deogratias:
Joe, I do - why don’t you start a thread about that?
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hahaha…no I think I like this one just fine.

I was just saying that I thought desacralization was the biggest threat to the Church. The church is holy, but in my parish very few people seem to realize this. It is almost the same that very few people who call themselves catholic recognize the bread and wine to be the body and blood of Jesus.
 
" It is almost the same that very few people who call themselves catholic recognize the bread and wine to be the body and blood of Jesus."

I repeatedly hear this and yet I have never met a Catholic that I did not ask them this question and so far everyone, even the most liberal have answered in the affirmative. Of course I have not asked every Catholic in the world.

OTOH if some of those I asked really believe this, I don’t understand how they can continue to practice ABC, reamarry after divorce without benefit of a decree of nullity, vote for prodeath politicians, lobby for women in the priesthood, etc. etc.
 
deogratias said:
" It is almost the same that very few people who call themselves catholic recognize the bread and wine to be the body and blood of Jesus."

I repeatedly hear this and yet I have never met a Catholic that I did not ask them this question and so far everyone, even the most liberal have answered in the affirmative. Of course I have not asked every Catholic in the world.

OTOH if some of those I asked really believe this, I don’t understand how they can continue to practice ABC, reamarry after divorce without benefit of a decree of nullity, vote for prodeath politicians, lobby for women in the priesthood, etc. etc.
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Nice point. Makes me question why I thought that there are people who call themselves Catholic, and do not believe in the Eucharist. Why did I think that? Guess I heard some poll some where on those wacko left news channels who claimed to have asked these questions to catholics. Maybe there is some sort of agenda.
 
There was such a poll but it never said which Catholics were included - there are many Catholics who never go to Mass, there are some who go at Easter and Christmas and then there are the faithful who go weekly and then there are the Paulists (grin)

If this poll was among the faithful only, then there would be grave concern indeed.
 
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