Gun Carrying Catholics Armed

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If I were you, I’d leave the AR parted out. That way it won’t jam. :cowboy_hat_face:
 
My preference around the house is an IWI Tavor. Compact size, not an SBR, and the weight is such that it can be easily one-handed when shouldered.
 
Gun rights and abortion are two separate issues. You can’t cloud the issue with that sorry comparison. Try harder!
 
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Not a bad choice. Hope you have thick walls.
 
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Yep. Your reply caught me as I was finishing up an ammo order 🙂 10mm, .45ACP, 9mm, .380, .38Sp, .22LR, and .17HMR. I’m the envy of my law enforcement friends with the new Sig 1911 in 10mm. Given some of the stuff that finds its way out here, I’m thinking of moving to it as a carry over the P238, though I really like the small size of the P238.
 
There is nothing inherently socially unjust about owning firearms. I bet those Londoners who are getting stabbed to death in record numbers would have loved to have been able to shoot their attacker(s). But, alas, in the “safer” gun-free world of London, he who has a butter knife is king.
 
We’re allowed to defend ourselves. We’re Catholics not pacifists. Guns are a neutral tool and unborn children are a gift from God. The Church condemns abortion and allows legitimate self-defense from attack.
 
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Me ?
I could never own a gun.
Why ?
I’d want to use it.
Too dangerous for me -
Though Christ did say take a sword - etc
But I recently heard of a bishop in Africa - dangerous place…
Christ appeared to him in a vision -
With a sword - and held it out -
The bishop reached out for it - it then turned into a rosary.
Christ was saying to him - this - is your weapon.
 
What society deems appropriate and what the Church deems appropriate are two separate matters. Which are we discussing? The Church hasn’t declared guns as intrinsically evil. Abortion has been condemned for centuries.

What’s your point?
 
Interesting factoid: if I beat a pregnant woman, and she miscarries, in nearly all of the states I can think of, there’s some version of a homicide charge that I’d get hit with. Roe v. Wade has more to do with political correctness, etc., than it has to do with the physical act of killing a fetus.

The 2nd Amendment pre-dates Roe v. Wade by a lot, and I assure you that the people who drafted the 2nd Amendment would not have approved of Roe v. Wade. You have to look at the political climate in which that decision was made. The founding fathers would probably just as soon take the abortion practitioner out to ye olde towne square, find a suitable tree, get some rope, and hoist the practitioner from a convenient limb.
 
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  1. We don’t have permits to purchase guns in my state (varies by state) but we do have to apply for CCDW that requires an 8hr course with both written and range tests. They are very thorough when done properly but I wouldn’t say necessarily difficult if you’re familiar with guns and the law. Getting the actual license from the state/county can be difficult (varies by state). It helps to have a squeaky clean record.
More points coming soon. Too much to type
 
  1. I usually know when/where I am going so I can prepare for how I carry and whether or not I’m allowed. The CCDW class helps build familiarity with restricted locations. Businesses that do not wish to have CCDW patrons on premises must post in a visible place. That being said, if you’re concealing well, how would they know? And also its a big flag that says come rob me, I don’t want guns here legally.
 
  1. I’m not a big fan of arming teachers unless they have had extensive crisis training. Carrying to defend yourself is one thing but trying to protect others in a crowded environment is a very difficult task. The worst thing to have in that situation is someone who isn’t truly trained or prepared to use a weapon for self defense. Many have been killed by their own weapon because they weren’t really willing to use it.
That’s a good idea but I’m not sure where we would get the funds for it. I would say tax ammo or gun sales but I’m sick of all the high taxes over the past 10 years. We used to have an off duty officer when I was in school years ago. Not sure if he carried but he did have to tackle a kid on more than one occasion.
 
  1. The whole point of conceal carrying is so no one expects you to have it. A well armed citizenry makes it a gamble for criminals. They have to really want what they’re going after because there’s a 50/50 chance they’re going to be met with equal or greater force.
 
It’s certainly a valid personal stance not to want to own a leathal weapon such as a firearm. With ownership comes huge moral and legal responsibilities. The moral and legal implications are compounded when such weapons are carried outside the home. It has been my observation that many who carry are not proficient with their weapons, do not fully understand their function, and likely pose a risk to others through inexperience, lack of skill and over-confidence.

As I see it, civilian owned firearms are but for two purposes:
  1. Hunting/other recreation.
  2. Self defense where no other option is prudent.
Any use of firearms outside of this is immoral and illegal. Indeed, if this was followed by all, gun ownership would not be at all controversial.
 
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Wow. That was well said. I was expecting you to crack a joke in there somewhere.
 
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