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Theo520 said:
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Vonsalza:
Home invader/self defense? The overwhelming majority of the time, if they realize you’re home, they leave. Your gun had nothing to do with it.
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That’s not true.
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Yeah it is.

These guys are trying to do a “job” just like anyone else - along the path of least resistance.

They want to waltz in when no one’s there, grab your valuables and waltz out. You being there inherently messes up their waltz.

No bueno.

And in keeping with path of least resistance, they can engage the present homeowner and risk injury and increase their legal penalty if they’re caught…

…or they bolt and pick another house.

They usually elect for #2
 
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Maybe you should read what I wrote again.

I didn’t disagree with your main assertion, that they want to keep it clean and simple. I said that the fear of being armed added further weight to not robbing while they are home, not that it was the only or even dominant factor.

You indicated it played no role.
 
Theo520 said:
Maybe you should read what I wrote again.

I didn’t disagree with your main assertion, that they want to keep it clean and simple. I said that the fear of being armed added further weight to not robbing while they are home, not that it was the only or even dominant factor.

You indicated it played no role.
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They don’t want to fool with a homeowner - period. What the homeowner might or might not be armed with is largely irrelevant. Machine gun? Golf Clubs? Doesn’t matter. If they hurt that owner, they’ll face bigger consequences and greater probabilities that those consequences manifest, since it’s a more serious crime.

They want easy. You being there screws up the “easy” regardless if you’re in a tank or just holding up bunched fists…
 
I think both logic and research disagrees with you.
You have become blinded by your agenda

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The “research”, eh?

“WorldNetDaily is an American news and opinion website and online news aggregator which has been described as “fringe” and far right as well as politically conservative.”

On the other hand, most burglars agree with me.

www.kgw.com

We asked 86 burglars how they broke into homes

What burglars said were the biggest deterrents, what didn't stop them and how you can protect your home.
www.kgw.com www.kgw.com

All the deterrents are given under the assumption that the homeowner isn’t home…

But cool. You and your fringe news know more about burglary than burglars. Got it. 👍
 
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Vonsalza said:
They don’t want to fool with a homeowner - period. What the homeowner might or might not be armed with is largely irrelevant. Machine gun? Golf Clubs? Doesn’t matter. If they hurt that owner, they’ll face bigger consequences and greater probabilities that those consequences manifest, since it’s a more serious crime.
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in england prison surveys showed criminals prefer hot burglaries. the take is bigger and quicker. they, after all, are still usually armed imho.
Vonsalza said:
Oh, they banned guns in Pennsylvania?
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knife use isn’t exclusive to a ban, you know that.
have you destroyed your semi-auto’s yet?
 
Vonsalza said:
The “research”, eh?

“WorldNetDaily is an American news and opinion website and online news aggregator which has been described as “fringe” and far right as well as politically conservative.”
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This comment itself reeks of your bias.
You ignored that they cited a Dept of Justice survey of inmates.

You are blinded to your agenda and not open to reason.
 
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in england prison surveys showed criminals prefer hot burglaries.
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Citation?
knife use isn’t exclusive to a ban, you know that.
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Just saying. You posted a stabbing in China and insinuated that responsibility laid partially upon a gun ban.

No such ban in the US, but a nearly identical event.
 
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Theo520 said:
You ignored that they cited a Dept of Justice survey of inmates.
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Do a better job reading the trash you cite.

“A 1985 Department of Justice survey of incarcerated felons reported that 57 percent of felons polled agreed that “criminals are more worried about meeting an armed victim than they are about running into the police.””

Uh. No kidding.

If they were highly concerned about getting caught by police, they probably wouldn’t have committed the crime.
 
congratulation, now you are replying to the actual content.

Though not recent, it’s relevant given the lack of research on the topic.
Dated DOJ research trumps your unsupported ‘opinion’
 
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Theo520 said:
Though not recent, it’s relevant given the lack of research on the topic.
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You need research to tell you that a burglar is less likely to rob you when you’re home?

Do you also need research in order to determine whether you should chew your steak?
Dated DOJ research trumps your unsupported ‘opinion’
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Yet more evidence that bald denialism is a fundamental component of conservatism.
 
Vonsalza said:
Yet more evidence that bald denialism is a fundamental component of conservatism.
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That is a very weak deflection from the point I clearly made,
that criminals are concerned about whether you may be armed.

You seem so stuck in your ideology that you can’t discuss basic facts in research presented.
 
Theo520 said:
That is a very weak deflection from the point I clearly made,
that criminals are concerned about whether you may be armed.
You seem so stuck in your ideology that you can’t discuss basic facts in research presented.
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And still, arching over all of it, is the fact that a burglar is far, far more likely to avoid your home simply if he thinks you’re in it.
But that’s just per the dialogue with actual burglars themselves. By all means, don’t let facts get in the way of your ideology.

Your obviously emotional need to tie your gun into it is yet more evidence of the fear-baiting that conservatism needs to cloak the obvious deficiencies tragically and comically inherent to the denialism that makes it even possible.
 
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Their survey was only targeted at criminals serving for burglary, not people on other charges you would get with a home invasion. They in effect narrowed their sample pool down to the criminals who only do burglaries of homes without people.

The survey asked about alarms but didn’t touch on armed residents, which further reduces it’s applicability. nothing in the survey discussed an assault like confrontation with the homeowner.

For applicability to the issue being discussed, I’d want to know what a rapist might say, since he’s obviously a 100% risk of invading while I’m at home, RIGHT?!?!

You need to learn some objectivity when your review material. That survey was good for it’s intention - advice to deter a break in when you are away.
 
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Theo520 said:
Their survey was only targeted at criminals serving for burglary, not people on other charges you would get with a home invasion. They in effect narrowed their sample pool down to the criminals who only do burglaries of homes without people.
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Oh man the absurdity…

That statement isn’t in the text anywhere.

Anywhere.

You just need to pretend it is in order to try to mount some limp, impotent defense as to why a scared conservative needs to emotionally inject a gun into the situation. Do you work for Fox News, by chance?

Let’s look at some choice statements by the burglars about their burglary, shall we?

“Burglars don’t want to be seen.”
“[We want to learn] Who lives in the home, what are their weekday schedules (weekends are too unpredictable), what they drive, is there a dog, a hidden key,” wrote one inmate.”
"What time the house would be empty and for how long,” wrote another.

The biggest deterrent isn’t the AR-15 in the closet. It’s simply the homeowner being home.

Check and mate, Theo.

Have a nice weekend. Last plea is yours. 😋
 
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They very clearly say they only sent the survey to people on burglary charges.
If one uses their little grey cells, one can discern they didn’t send it to other criminals that invade homes, say and are charged with robbery or rape instead of burglary.

You might want to bone up on the difference between robbery and burglary, for a start
https://www.protectamerica.com/home...difference-between-burglary-and-robbery_13685

I think it would be very insightful to ask people convicted of robbery or rape what they thought about people being armed. Burglary, not so much since by default the people are not home.
Also from the above article
According to U.S. News & World Report, “Researcher Gary Kleck found that 92 percent of criminal attacks are deterred when a gun is merely shown (or, rarely, a warning shot fired). By inference, this means that open carry would have the effect of deterring crime in the same way that a thief might choose another restaurant when he sees police eating at his intended target.”
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