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o_mlly
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You bring up a valid point. One is not enough. She should have had another gun in the crawl space or wherever her “go to” place is in the event of a break-in.
Still, most likely you would need more than one gun in the home with the lock boxes positioned to be accessed relatively quickly wherever you happen to be in the event of a burglary … Guns in the U.S. » The Moral Arc
From your scenario, one could just as easily argue, as the gun control advocate does above, that the gun problem in America is we just don’t have enough of them.
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Why gee. You could be right. So to be perfectly safe she should have a gun in every room and maybe wear a sidearm continuously. And while we’re at it she shoud leave the front door unlocked so it doesn’t get damaged if someone wants to get in.Bradskii:
You bring up a valid point. One is not enough. She should have had another gun in the crawl space or wherever her “go to” place is in the event of a break-in.
Still, most likely you would need more than one gun in the home with the lock boxes positioned to be accessed relatively quickly wherever you happen to be in the event of a burglary … Guns in the U.S. » The Moral Arc
From your scenario, one could just as easily argue, as the gun control advocate does above, that the gun problem in America is we just don’t have enough of them.
Maybe teach the kids to throw cans of fruit at the guy breaking in to divert his attention so mum can kill him.
Alabama middle school principal tells kids to bring canned goods to class, throw them at possible gunmen
This school encourages food fights. An Alabama middle school asked students to bring canned goods to school so they can throw them at potential gunman. W.F. Burns Middle School in Valley, Ala., sai…
www.nydailynews.com
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o_mlly
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Only after she completes the moat.
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MonteRCMS
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With the advent of home video and personal video, we now have access to recordings of actual home invasions and robberies of businesses and commercial establishments.
No longer need to argue hypotheticals, when we have so many actual instances.
You Tube has lots of actual videos.
No longer need to argue hypotheticals, when we have so many actual instances.
You Tube has lots of actual videos.
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Apologies if someone already posted this:
thenewamerican.com
Gary Kleck, a criminologist now retired from Florida State University, was likely astonished to learn that his controversial study, The National Self-Defense Survey, was accurate after all. He and FSU fellow professor Marc Gertz concluded, based on their carefully-crafted surveys conducted in 1993, that there were more than 2.2 million defensive gun uses (DGU) each year in the United States. The results were presented in 1994, published in 1995, and have been incessantly attacked by the anti-gun movement ever since. His conclusions didn’t fit the anti-gun narrative that guns are used in crimes far more than in self-defense and therefore private ownership must be abolished.
Kleck just learned that almost immediately after the publication of his study, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), a federal agency that receives more than $11 billion of taxpayer money every year, conducted its own study of the matter. It conducted three separate studies, in fact, and each of them came to the same conclusion as Kleck and Gertz: Indeed, about 2.5 million Americans use guns to defend themselves or their families every year.
But the CDC studies were never published.
It would have infuriated the powers-that-be in the Clinton administration, and so the results were buried.
CDC Buried Data Supporting Defensive Use of Firearms
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention conducted three studies in the 1990s showing that about 2.5 million Americans use guns in self-defense every year. But the studies were never published. by Bob Adelmann
thenewamerican.com
Gary Kleck, a criminologist now retired from Florida State University, was likely astonished to learn that his controversial study, The National Self-Defense Survey, was accurate after all. He and FSU fellow professor Marc Gertz concluded, based on their carefully-crafted surveys conducted in 1993, that there were more than 2.2 million defensive gun uses (DGU) each year in the United States. The results were presented in 1994, published in 1995, and have been incessantly attacked by the anti-gun movement ever since. His conclusions didn’t fit the anti-gun narrative that guns are used in crimes far more than in self-defense and therefore private ownership must be abolished.
Kleck just learned that almost immediately after the publication of his study, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), a federal agency that receives more than $11 billion of taxpayer money every year, conducted its own study of the matter. It conducted three separate studies, in fact, and each of them came to the same conclusion as Kleck and Gertz: Indeed, about 2.5 million Americans use guns to defend themselves or their families every year.
But the CDC studies were never published.
It would have infuriated the powers-that-be in the Clinton administration, and so the results were buried.
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Mom did exactly what she was supposed to do to protect her family’s lives. She neutralized the attacker.
And most violent attackers aren’t going to be stopped by one or two rounds.
'Nuff said.
And most violent attackers aren’t going to be stopped by one or two rounds.
'Nuff said.
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Yeah. If I ever have to pull and the thug runs away, great. If he continues advancing and I am in reasonable fear of great bodily harm, then, bang.
Then I’ll render first aid and pray for his recovery. Recovery in prison, of course.
Then I’ll render first aid and pray for his recovery. Recovery in prison, of course.
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The perp got ten years. He broke through three doors trying to get at mom and her children. She had a .38 so five rounds is not alarming at all.
https://www.wsbtv.com/news/local/burglar-shot-home-invasion-gets-10-years/242664493co.mmmm
https://www.wsbtv.com/news/local/burglar-shot-home-invasion-gets-10-years/242664493co.mmmm
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Goes a long way to explain why Congress stopped funding CDC research on guns.
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otjm
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While in theory I might agree with you, Oregon has passed a law requiring a background check (in other words, a sale through a gun dealer) with private party to private party.
This is nothing more than a “feel good” law, as it is almost entirely impossible to enforce. The only enforcement comes subsequent to a sale when the second purchaser uses the firearm in some illegal manner, is caught, and details where and how they obtained the firearm.
The only other possible way to enforce it is through entrapment - a police officer, under cover, attempting to purchase from an otherwise law abiding citizen. And frankly, unless someone gets word to the police of repeated activity, the police have far, far too many crimes to deal with already; this simply is not going to have priority in most police jurisdictions.
As to your noted statistics, estimates I have seen are @ 120,000,000 gun owners, and an estimated 330,000,000 weapons, which generally agrees with your figures. Assuming the response to your statement is correct - that people do not necessarily respond truthfully to polls and the number is higher - then it is anyone’s guess.
We currently have a proposed ballot measure which would make felons of the greater majority of gun owners in Oregon, either requiring them to turn their guns in, or register them (thus making the next step easier). Class B felony is a maximum 10 year sentance… it will be interesting to watch to see if it gets to the ballot; if it does, I suspect the Democrats will wish it had never occurred, as it may well bring out enough gun owners to vote that we may also replace our governor.
This is nothing more than a “feel good” law, as it is almost entirely impossible to enforce. The only enforcement comes subsequent to a sale when the second purchaser uses the firearm in some illegal manner, is caught, and details where and how they obtained the firearm.
The only other possible way to enforce it is through entrapment - a police officer, under cover, attempting to purchase from an otherwise law abiding citizen. And frankly, unless someone gets word to the police of repeated activity, the police have far, far too many crimes to deal with already; this simply is not going to have priority in most police jurisdictions.
As to your noted statistics, estimates I have seen are @ 120,000,000 gun owners, and an estimated 330,000,000 weapons, which generally agrees with your figures. Assuming the response to your statement is correct - that people do not necessarily respond truthfully to polls and the number is higher - then it is anyone’s guess.
We currently have a proposed ballot measure which would make felons of the greater majority of gun owners in Oregon, either requiring them to turn their guns in, or register them (thus making the next step easier). Class B felony is a maximum 10 year sentance… it will be interesting to watch to see if it gets to the ballot; if it does, I suspect the Democrats will wish it had never occurred, as it may well bring out enough gun owners to vote that we may also replace our governor.
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I have seen repeated references to the CDC studies, so I am not sure that they have not been made available. Certainly they must have surfaced soemwhere if the result of them are known. I would suspect the Freedom of Information Act would be the source of prying them out.
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do you know the backstory? how is the area? has she had trouble before? being near atlanta and monroe is concern enough
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it’s called a safe space, you retreat to it and secure yourself inside trying not to confront the perp. a second, third or fourth gun is in there locked and loaded for the final act of self-defense.
he should be glad he did. sounds like his preparations worked
because you don’t have windows on the first floor that they can be broken into
how do you lock glass
because the perp expects to be there long enough to have police show up.
because you don’t have windows? if i break your glass and can get in without moving the sill will your alarm go off? do you have a glass breakage alarm?
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No kidding, an FBI report I read a few years ago put it between 2 and 3.
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In the 1990s Florida State criminologist Gary Kleck and his partner Marc Gertz published their own study claiming that almost 2.5 million defensive gun uses (DGUs) occurred each year. Their study was widely criticized, and still is to this day.
It’s not clear exactly what happened but it appears that Kleck was rummaging through CDC data looking for something else and stumbled on this unpublished study the CDC had made nearly 20 years earlier that came up with pretty much the same numbers he found. FOIA is useless in finding data no one knows exists. Kleck summarized their report…sorry, their study:
In 1996, 1997, and 1998, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) conducted large-scale national surveys asking about defensive gun use (DGU). They never released the findings, or even acknowledged they had studied the topic. I obtained the unpublished raw data and computed the prevalence of DGU. CDC’s findings indicated that an average of 2.46 million U.S. adults used a gun for self-defense in each of the years from 1996 through 1998 – almost exactly confirming the estimate for 1992 of Kleck and Gertz (1995).
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The exact line out of the summary is “At least 15 surveys have yielded results implying anywhere from 760,000 to 3.6 million DGUs [defensive gun uses] per year with evidence from the first survey specifically designed to estimate DGU frequency, the National Self-Defense Survey (NSDS), indicating about 2.5 million instances of DGU per year.”
Also important to note, a DGU is defined as “a situation in which a crime victim uses a gun to threaten or attack the offender in self-defense.” It is thus important to note that the attacker does not have to be armed to create a DGU.
Also from the author, most DGUs occur away from your home.
And the NSDS dates to 1994, if I’m not wrong. For those of us who have read Freakonomics -
The author’s update on the same study: https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2015/02/defensive-gun-ownership-gary-kleck-response-115082
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This jacked up thug in Georgia took 5 shots. Either 5/5 or 5/6 depending on the make and model of the revolver. She’s obviously trained. But she tried to retreat. No charges for her. Ten years for the career criminal. Good.
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Revolver? Good to know.
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anon10271182
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Can’t shoot .38s out of a pistol.
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