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Maximilian75 said:
I think I’m going to teach, and I would love to get some like that - A brown beas, springfield, M14, maybe a vietnam era AR, all neutered, all to just allow kids to hold and see history
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That’s what I loved about trading milsurps in college. When I bought and sold an old Russian Mosin-Nagant, you could see where the finishing on the ones made during WW2 weren’t NEAR as fine as the finishing on the pre-war models. I’d fantasize about which battles it participated in. How many dead men held it during the war. And you could see that certain arsenals made better specimens. A Tula-made Mosin was worth more than an Izmash/Izvek-made Mosin because it was built for a tighter tolerance. They made the Mosins that became sniper rifles.

But most of those weapons are bolt or semi and are, therefore, available to own without cutting them.
 
Yes.

I’m 17, but as soon as I can I think I’m going to get a Mosin.

And yes, I know about boltguns not being needed to be torched, but these would be in a school setting (hopefully), so it’s better to be safe than sorry
 
Maximilian75 said:
Yes.

I’m 17, but as soon as I can I think I’m going to get a Mosin.

And yes, I know about boltguns not being needed to be torched, but these would be in a school setting (hopefully), so it’s better to be safe than sorry
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A Mosin was the first I ever bought with my own money 😉 . Never shot one that wasn’t pie-plate accurate at 100 yards after adjusting for sight-bias.

Have fun!
 
Vonsalza said:
The day semi autos aren’t available for same day or nearly same day purchase and require some means and some “doing” to obtain, I’ll take the colonel’s suggestion and call my nearest state police post (local pd doesn’t do it - I checked) and schedule a drop off for their destruction.
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i don’t buy it, do you really think they won’t grandfather existing ar’s? as you say time will eliminate them without the political backlash. if you want to ban them, start by destroying yours. walk the talk. it seems you only want certain people to have them: rich folk.
 
upant said:
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Vonsalza:
The day semi autos aren’t available for same day or nearly same day purchase and require some means and some “doing” to obtain, I’ll take the colonel’s suggestion and call my nearest state police post (local pd doesn’t do it - I checked) and schedule a drop off for their destruction.
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i don’t buy it, do you really think they won’t grandfather existing ar’s?
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Of course I think they’ll grandfather existing ARs. There’s too many and ownership records are too nebulous to do any sort of a round-up - which I wouldn’t want anyway.

Hold on to your chair - there are still automatics out there in the hands of unregistered folks because “pap-pap” had it when the ban came into effect.

The effect is realized in two ways - first the newly banned weapons immediately become more expensive in the secondary/black market.
Second, since no new specimens are being brought in, the number of functioning banned firearms will fall through simple attrition over time. It’s freshman-level economics.
as you say time will eliminate them without the political backlash. if you want to ban them, start by destroying yours. walk the talk. it seems you only want certain people to have them: rich folk.
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That’s how bans work, you just don’t realize it. Lots of things are illegal — unless you’re wealthy enough to get around it. Like fully automatic weapons. 😎

As such, the supply steadily dries up. And these rich old codgers - Vegas shooter exception noted - have so much to lose by participating in crime that they generally don’t. Or at least when they do, it’s of the white-collar variety. 😅 Paper crime.
 
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upant said:
i don’t buy it, do you really think they won’t grandfather existing ar’s? as you say time will eliminate them without the political backlash.
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I think quite a few people stockpiled AR15 lower receivers, to take advantage of that scenario.

Considering they are modular and don’t wear out, the AR will never go out of circulation if grandfathered.
 
And, the fact that they can be milled/3d printed and that all the other parts can be bought and sent to a PO box online…
 
A lower receiver would have to be built and registered before any ban.
Anyone printing one after that date would be breaking laws as would possessing the assembled end product.
 
All mechanical parts wear out. That’s inherent to a mechanical object.

But wear is probably the least common source of attrition. Neglect is probably what claims most of them. And boy those AR gas systems can be finicky; particularly on the cheap ones.
 
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I would imagine the ban targeted toward ARs would include both upper and lower receivers. New production or purchase.

Just a guess.
 
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Lowers are the only controlled item with a serial number.
They don’t track uppers.
 
And somehow you think that fact would stop a future ban from happening?

Bayonet lugs aren’t serialized but somehow they managed to ban them for a period of time.
 
Sure, you can BAN anything,
but if you try to grandfather uppers, it’s completely unenforceable, unlike with lowers.

Are you mixing up the two approaches in your replies?
 
But if you go back over the thread, my responses were about grandfathering the AR
 
A guy owning a mill or a lathe isn’t a new thing. If those folks wanted to be lawbreakers they’d be lathing and milling fully automatic lowers but they don’t. They don’t want to go to prison.
 
Theo520 said:
Sure, you can BAN anything,
but if you try to grandfather uppers, it’s completely unenforceable, unlike with lowers.

Are you mixing up the two approaches in your replies?
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What… Are you assuming that bans and grandfathering are mutual exclusive things? They’re not. Not even remotely. But maybe I missed that nuance the first time around…
 
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