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Funnily enough you can buy that legally, but the second you put a pistol in that without the proper approval from the ATF (NFA tax stamps and paperwork) you’ve committed a felony subject to a 250K dollar fine or ten years in prison
 
And a criminal with evil intentions wouldn’t care one bit! :man_shrugging:t2:
 
Nope.

Our gun laws don’t laws don’t make much sense.

The reason for regulation of short barreled rifles and shotguns is because int he original national firearms act of 1934 which required the registration of those items, plus machine guns and a few other oddball things, pistols were included.

They didn’t want people to circumvent the pistol registration by just sawing off a rifle or shotgun so those were added. But, there was such huge backlash against the pistol registration that pistols were removed, but the sawed off stuff wasn’t.
 
I honestly don’t think we have a gun problem. I think we all are really close to agreeing on that. It’s a culture issue. But I don’t know the way to fix it.
 
Nominate me as Generalissimo Commander Jan for a 5 year period, I shall crush the modernists beneath boot heel and establish peace and order within our nation 🙂

I shall have many medals on my chest, and a dapper haircut.
 
You’ve got my vote.

Impose martial law, suspend the constitution, and merge all police forces into the military. While we’re at it, dissolve Congress and the SCOTUS and merge their duties into Your Royal Highness’s Glorious Majesty.

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I should have been more specific. I was a combat infantryman, a rifleman. Killing people was what I was trained to do and I was in during the end of the Cold War when it looked like the Soviets might actually try to start the big one.

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I think we got a little off topic here, though I think many people could benefit from the knowledge here.

Should we talk about holsters or other issues with carry?
 
I believe that was a big reason why Texas went to Open Carry. Not because they wanted to give people an excuse to go to Dunkin Donuts and flaunt their firepower, but so that people who were doing Concealed Carry wouldn’t get in trouble because, gasp, someone caught a glimpse of what had been concealed in a concealable holster, and they didn’t want them to get in trouble because it was temporarily not-concealed.
 
PetraG said:
I think the public wants to know how to keep teenagers or anyone else who has spent a good chunk of their lives playing videogames in which they role-played killing as many people as possible before they were killed themselves from getting really depressed or really angry and ambushing a crowd and gunning down dozens of people single-handedly in only a matter of minutes.
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I’m a teacher. The school shooter scenario is all too real for me.

I’d advocate a 2-pronged approach:
  1. Increased counseling and mental health services on school campuses coupled with effective training and continuing education to help teachers spot kids in crisis. This will have far and away the greatest impact on the school shooter problem.
Thankfully I have some crisis training from work as a peer counselor in college. I sent many many students to counselors who were in crisis. Unfortunately, the counselors weren’t always equipped to handle these situations.

Because you need another layer of protection for those who fall through the cracks…
  1. Hardening schools (within reason ie not arming teachers) and implementing common sense reforms that preserve the second amendment while also protecting society against overwrought kids, the chronically mentally ill, and psychopaths.
This is a tall order, but we can start with age requirements, universal background checks, allowing police to temporarily disarm those who pose an immediate threat.
 
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Spyridon said:
Also, I think the general age to purchase a firearm should be raised to 21 - of course with an exemption for those ages 18-21 who are in law enforcement or military.
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In most states, the right to carry for most people is effectively post-college, which is typically 22ish. I’m fine with setting the age to 21 if we set every right (and driving privileges) to start at 21 too.

You either are an adult, or not an adult in the eyes of the law. There shouldn’t be a flux state of pseudo-adultism.
 
mrsdizzyd said:
Hardening schools (within reason ie not arming teachers)
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If a teacher wants to be armed, s/he should not be allowed? No one is calling for force-arming teachers. Just allowing those who carry everywhere else to also carry there.
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and implementing common sense reforms that preserve the second amendment
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Such as removing gun-free zones? I wonder why most mass shootings happen in gun free zones?
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This is a tall order, but we can start with age requirements,
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The vast majority of states already require you to be 18 or 21. I’m fine with either, as long as all other rights, duties, and age-based privleges are also attached to that age too (e.g. voting, driving, alcohol/drugs, etc.)

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universal background checks,
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Already a thing.
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allowing police to temporarily disarm those who pose an immediate threat.
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Already a thing. In many states, police can disarm any person who is a threat (or suspect of a crime, etc.). Obviously, if the cop is letting you go, they need to give you were weapon back. No cop should ever be allowed to confiscate property (outside of temporary disarming or being arrested) without due process.
 
boclucky14 said:
If a teacher wants to be armed, s/he should not be allowed? No one is calling for force-arming teachers. Just allowing those who carry everywhere else to also carry there.
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A teachers’ responsibilities lay elsewhere in a lockdown situation. We have kids to keep under control. I can have as many as 40 kids in my classes. I have to get them locked in, barricaded behind whatever we can find, I have to keep them calm, stop them from leaving, take attendance so that everyone can be accounted for, wait for instructions, evacuate them when necessary, the list goes on.

Our first responsibility is to the children in our care. Think about it. Would you really want your child left alone in this kind of situation? Teachers literally do not have time to get in the correct situational mindset and engage a shooter.

Now, we might be able to identify certain administrators and support staff who could be armed and engage a shooter…
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The vast majority of states already require you to be 18 or 21. I’m fine with either, as long as all other rights, duties, and age-based privleges are also attached to that age too (e.g. voting, driving, alcohol/drugs, etc.)
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The world is not black and white. Sometimes what’s good for a 21 year old is not good for an 18 year old.

Our universal background check system needs serious revision to include closing loopholes like peer to peer transfer and gun show loopholes.

Police need to be able to temporarily confiscate guns even while investigations continue. For instance, when people reported that Nick Cruz was threatening to use his guns against others police should have been able to confiscate his weapons until a thorough investigation was completed. It is scary to give away that kind of freedom, but if it is in the public interest it may be worth it.

The problem is that people lament the mass shooting issue, but can’t find the intestinal fortitude to do what is required to address it.
 
They’re confiscating guns in Deerfield, IL, under threat of a $1000 a day fine.

Google it.

@mrsdizzyd, my guess on arbitrarily confiscating weapons during an investigation is that could be viewed as a presumption of guilt prior to being proven as such. Any lawyer would have a field day with that.

“We heard you said X, so we’re seizing Y until we prove Z.” I don’t know that that would fly. Plus, I don’t need a gun to kill someone if that’s actually my goal.

If an 18 year old can voluntarily join the military and pass a background check, raising the age of purchase shouldn’t happen. Also - had the age been 21, it would’ve stopped one shooting in recent history, as the rest of the shooters either took a legally purchased weapon from a parent, or were already over the age of 21. That still doesn’t address the problem.

Then you have the issue of you can vote, you can marry without permission, you can own property, you can enter a contract, you can enter the military - you are at the age of majority - but you can’t buy a rifle? Are you an adult, or aren’t you?

Fortitude isn’t the problem. Gun shows aren’t the problem. Private transactions aren’t the problem. These weapons were legally purchased above board, and not through the loopholes in the law. It’s not fortitude. It’s not addressing the actual problem - and it’s not gun laws.
 
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Which Is why I said it’s a 2 pronged approach with the 1st aspect being far and away the most important.
 
I think every aspect of adulthood needs to be set to 21. Voting, driving, drinking, etc.
 
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