Gun Carrying Catholics Armed

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TheOldColonel said:
Indeed. The example given was not apropos.
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Here was your comment:
“Judgement and motor skills decline as stress increases in all but the most experienced and highly trained.”

My example was of a 10 year old using a gun in defense of his family, which would seem to refute your assertion. But if one example is insufficient there are plenty of others.

In March 2010 Stephen Pritchett attacked an 82-year-old woman in a Wal-Mart parking lot. Pritchett approached the woman and said, “This is your day. You are too old to be alive anyway.” He then “grabbed her cane and started beating her.” At that point, she drew a handgun and fired at Pritchett. She did not hit him, but unsurprisingly, the gunshot drew attention to her problem, bringing employees and then police.

If 10 year old boys and 82 year old ladies can react responsibly under duress then perhaps the instinct to protect oneself doesn’t require a high level of training to manifest itself.
 
You might consider reading the thread. Then you’ll understand the context. But your example of the 82 year old proves my point. “She did not hit him” says it all. Where did that round go? She might very well have hit someone else in a more crowded situation. Surely you would agree.
 
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TheOldColonel said:
You might consider reading the thread. Then you’ll understand the context.
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Either your statement is valid or it isn’t. It is of course literally true that stress degrades our normal skills, but that hardly means, as your comment suggested, that they are degraded to such an extent that taking no action is preferable to acting, especially when it involves deadly force. Actual situations, as opposed to imagined ones, suggest otherwise.
 
To my original point, guns should never be allowed in church. Only trained personnel should be in charge of such security, not amateurs prone to panic, error and firing rounds who knows where. Indeed, many dioceses are drafting such policies as we speak.
 
TheOldColonel said:
A ban was not suggested. You’re not following the conversation.
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I took issue with your post that those who carry always overestimate their skills. Are you not part of the conversation and were you correctly quoted? Answers are, “Yes” and “Yes.”
 
I never suggested a ban on guns or “scissors” for that matter. The conversation was about the lack of skill of most CWP holders. Too many people carry guns without sufficient training.
 
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I don’t own a gun. Never had a desire, never been part of the hunting or gun culture.
We do have a son in the Marine Corp and many friends in law enforcement.

Make a gun safety class mandatory for every US citizen. And allow open carry for every law abiding citizen, all the time, everywhere. And you will see mass murders evaporate. Yes there will be some accidents just like with cars and power tools. That’s the nature of tools. But you will not see cowards go into places and kill women and children if there are numerous guns staring back at them.

Everybody carries, all the time, everywhere.

Gun control does not work .
 
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goout said:
Everybody carries, all the time, everywhere.
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Surely you do not want to fly on a plane, sit in a courtroom, attend church, visit a hospital, go grocery shopping, go on a date, attend a class, go to an amusement park, drive in rush hour traffic, eat at a restaurant, have a drink at a bar, attend a wedding, etc. where everyone is open carrying a lethal weapons. Do you really think that’s a good idea? Who wants to live in such a society? It would be impractical, dangerous and rather ridiculous. Wouldn’t you agree?

 
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In the face random attacks by criminal psychopaths, yea, I do want everyone to take a gun safety class and carry a weapon if they are law abiding, not insane, and choose to do so.

Gun control does not work, and those who think mass murder is the highest form of self expression should have to think twice about their chances of success.
I think that’s fair and safer than the alternative.
 
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Indeed. It is humor. Your idea of a fierce society armed to the teeth all the time reminds me of the Klingon Empire.
 
TheOldColonel said:
Indeed. It is humor. Your idea of a fierce society armed to the teeth all the time reminds me of the Klingon Empire.
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Dont’ know anything about that, but I do know that the criminally insane can walk into most any school and express themselves by killing children, without fear of immediate resistance.

How is that taking care of children? We have a problem here that is not going away.
 
TheOldColonel said:
To my original point, guns should never be allowed in church. Only trained personnel should be in charge of such security, not amateurs prone to panic, error and firing rounds who knows where. Indeed, many dioceses are drafting such policies as we speak.
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One day I was attending a highly political Mass, and a fellow brushed past me … and he was definitely “carrying”.
 
I see this frequently even though it’s against diocesan policy and state law.
 
goout said:
Dont’ know anything about that, but I do know that the criminally insane can walk into most any school and express themselves by killing children, without fear of immediate resistance.

How is that taking care of children? We have a problem here that is not going away.
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In the Parkland Florida shooting, some teachers and students put themselves between the shooter and the students. They were killed. Perhaps if they had been armed, they might have stopped or deterred or chased off the shooter.
 
TheOldColonel said:
Too many people carry guns without sufficient training.
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Glad to see that “all” has been reduced to “too many.”

It’s lamentable but too many people also drive cars without sufficient training. What is your point or corrective action for those who are poorly trained? Or, are you just offering us your opinion?
 
o_mlly said:
Glad to see that “all” has been reduced to “too many.”

It’s lamentable but too many people also drive cars without sufficient training. What is your point or corrective action for those who are poorly trained? Or, are you just offering us your opinion?
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Sometimes, merely brandishing the gun is enough to cause the shooter to lose interest in proceeding with his plan.

Something is better than nothing.
 
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