Gun violence - lest we forget

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Ridgerunner said:
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LeafByNiggle:
Why shouldn’t you?
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Because nothing is truly secure against talented thieves and it would be punishing me for acts of another, and for which I had no intent at all.
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You mean the thieves are so talented that they could steal your AR-15 without your knowing about it for months?
 
Thinker_Doer said:
I think you are paranoid. Feinstein does not have such powers. I would prefer if you would criticize the suggestion on the ground what it says and not how could it it be abused by some who have no such powers. Personally I don’t like guns, and as such I don’t have one. But I am not the “measure of all things”. There are people who like to hunt, there are people who love target practice, and there are people who are paranoid, and want protection. All are legitimate endeavors.
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mandated, non-voluntary, sounds like confiscation to me. the question is, could a president do it with an executive order?

the latest from presidential candidate o’rourke
O’Rourke emphasized the buyback law would be mandatory, not a choice, forcing Americans to turn in specified weapons.

“Buy those weapons of war back. Mandate that. Not voluntarily. Let’s be really clear with our fellow Americans,” O’Rourke said in separate interview with MSNBC.

O’Rourke also supports a national gun registry program.
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Illegal Acquitted Of Murdering Kate Steinle Gets Gun Conviction Tossed By Calif. Appeals Court

the felon claims he momentarily had a gun and it accidentally went off and gets off the gun charge. every perp can say this

do people really wonder why we have gun issues?

a felon should not touch a gun period.

what was it, an item of commerce? as some lawyer once said, it can be converted instantaneously from currency to cannon.
Earlier Friday, an appeals court reversed Jose Inez Garcia-Zarate’s 2017 conviction for possession of a firearm by a felon.

This comes after he accused a judge of failing to tell the jury it’s not a crime to “momentarily” have a gun. The 46-year-old claims he found the firearm on a San Francisco pier, picked it up, and it “accidentally” went off.
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for those anti’s that don’t believe that the black market will fill the void if guns are banned.

www.breitbart.com

52K Chinese Gun Parts Seized at California Seaport

U.S. Customs and Border Protection officers assigned to the San Diego Sector seized more than 53,000 gun parts being smuggled from China.
www.breitbart.com www.breitbart.com

so are the illegal guns used in cali coming from nevada or china? or from both? when the price or motive is right…
 
upant said:
mandated, non-voluntary, sounds like confiscation to me. the question is, could a president do it with an executive order?

the latest from presidential candidate o’rourke
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There is no reason under the sun that a person is “entitled” constitutionally to own a semi-assault rifle that can be jimmied to fire as an assault rifle in war time.

None.

Zilch.

These are not persons that are part of any militia (state military operation) that as civilians could or should have them “ready” for action.

They are meant for one thing and one thing only: To KILL your enemy at an intensity that is fatal. It is not for deer, pheasant, coyote, or anything else and have no business on our streets or in our community.

Period.
 
ps: I don’t care if they’re confiscated. They need to be gone and with the momentum and percentage of normal clear headed individuals in this country that agree, I believe we’ll see it in our life time.

Thank God.
 
DENNYINMI said:
There is no reason under the sun that a person is “entitled” constitutionally to own a semi-assault rifle that can be jimmied to fire as an assault rifle in war time.
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in the past, I read a blog post discussing the picture of the people standing over top their business with their rifles during the LA riots and how their stores were spared. they also discussed how the AR was used for protection in the aftermath of Katrina. the blog went on to name a number of individual incidents where everyday people used AR-type weapons for protection.

self-defense is all the reason one needs
 
upant said:
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LeafByNiggle:
These exceptional circumstances do not justify keeping an AR-15 on speculation. The cost to society is too great.
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that is one opinion

in the right hands, it is a benefit to society, no matter the cost
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The trouble is there is no way to make the AR easily available to the right hands without also making it easily available to the wrong hands.
 
LeafByNiggle said:
The trouble is there is no way to make the AR easily available to the right hands without also making it easily available to the wrong hands.
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it will always be available to the wrong hands even when you take it away from the good hands. as the thriving black market shows us with other banned substances.
 
upant said:
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LeafByNiggle:
The trouble is there is no way to make the AR easily available to the right hands without also making it easily available to the wrong hands.
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it will always be available to the wrong hands even when you take it away from the good hands. as the thriving black market shows us with other banned substances.
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I am not quite so pessimistic that we cannot do anything to make it harder for the wrong people to get such weapons.
 
walmart will stop selling handgun and AR-style ammo (they don’t sell handguns or AR’s now). they will continue to sell hunting rifles and shotguns and the Dems say that is not enough

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This is a good start—but it’s not nearly enough. Walmart can and should do much more.
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what more can Walmart do but not sell any guns? do you see why gunnies won’t give an inch? the Dems want everything. they want to take’m all

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Not as long as it is just average Americans who are caught in the cross fire.
But wait until some richie rich, politician’s relative, or some person with a little clout has someone killed in their family, then the priorities will change.
I pray for all of the average Americans who have had their lives changed forever just for the sake of the gun-sale industry’s lust for $$$.
 
upant said:
in the right hands, it is a benefit to society, no matter the cost
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It’s benefit to society exists on the battle field alone, which is where its concept was birthed and according to a myriad of firearm experts should remain.
 
@upant . . .
Yet, we all forget the weekly killings in Chicago.
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LeafByNiggle . . . .
Thank you for that perfect illustration of whataboutism.
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Yet the title of the thread is "GunViolence. . ."

Not “gun violence everywhere but Chicago.”

So how is discussing the “gun violence”
(in heavily gun-controlled by Government and Democrat utopia) in Chicago NOT “gun violence” or in any way not germane to the thread topic?
 
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Cathoholic said:
@upant . . .
Yet, we all forget the weekly killings in Chicago.
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The title says “Gun violence - lest we forget” and the author of that title also wrote the first post, which was a list of mass shootings. Besides, it is incorrect to say that no one ever talks about weekly killings in Chicago (actually, it should be New Orleans, Detroit, St. Louis, or Baltimore, as these all have much higher homicide rates per capita).
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