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TheAmazingGrace
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Like I said before, most of the alleged victims aren’t naming any names or taking anyone to court…
Has the #MeToo movement become a witch-hunt to a significant degree?
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DarkLight
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It’s also worth considering the potential motivations the accuser would have to make up a story. People don’t generally make up accusations “just because.” They either have some specific reason to want to hurt that person, or some benefit they wish to gain. While attention is a possible motivation, I don’t think it’s likely in a lot of cases - there’s usually going to be either some specific personal grudge or some sort of material benefit to be obtained.
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Xantippe
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Right. If a person “just wants attention,” there are endless ways to do so these days that come at a much lower price: talk about a consensual relationship with an important person, eat Tide Pods, open up Hatchimals on youtube, dye your hair pink, etc.
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Joe_5859
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This was the point I was trying to make way up thread. Not sure why it turned into an argument about “conservative” values or “traditional” countries.
If people actually believed in their heart the truth of the Catholic teaching on the dignity of the human person, they would not want to commit these types of acts. Obviously, we will never completely arrive at that point this side of heaven. But our goal should be to get as close as we can.
No, recruiting a legion of card-carrying, going-through-the-motions, paying-lip-service-to-Catholic-teaching Catholics is not going to be the solution. I would have thought that would be pretty self-evident. We are talking about genuine evangelization that changes hearts.
And not that evangelization is the only thing that can be done. Of course, we want to take all the steps we can. It’s not an either/or proposition. Just like with issues such as abortion. Ultimately, we want to change hearts so that no one even wants or feels they have to have an abortion. But we simultaneously also work on changing laws and taking other steps. We can and should work all the angles.
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DarkLight
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Sometimes it can actually hurt. If you read about abuse within the Christian community, you’ll find a lot of stories about people who refrained from speaking out because they were concerned that misapplied morals would result in them being dismissed or blamed for being victimized. The theme of “woman as temptress” can be a real issue for women - and attitudes around homosexuality for men.
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SuperLuigi
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As evidenced by all of the headline reading on the internet, I suspect most people other than those getting the letter won’t care that much.
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SuperLuigi
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Such as a pop culture career that is winding down?
And yet people are falsely accused.
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Xantippe
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By multiple accusers?
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SuperLuigi
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The number of accusers does not determine guilt in and of itself. Ever.
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Xantippe
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Has anybody successfully parlayed a MeToo accusation into a career boost?
If anything, people like the gold medal gymnasts testifying against Nassar have a lot to lose in terms of endorsements and speaking engagements.
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AlNg
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Accusers and lawyers don’t always play fairly.
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Xantippe
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It doesn’t determine guilt, but it does help a lot with figuring out the probabilities in the absence of other evidence.
Edited to add: At some point, it becomes willful blindness to deny that where there is smoke, there’s probably fire with a person who has been accused of sexual misconduct by a dozen people. Any particular accusation may be false, but the odds of ALL of them being false is virtually non-existent (barring very young witnesses led by police or other unusual circumstances).
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As an aside, I think it isn’t always good to draw analogies between high-profile cases and more ordinary cases. There are certain unique differences, where, for example, accusing a Walmart employee/management isn’t going to be quite the same as accusing a high-profile celebrity. I could tell you a Walmart that’s been employing a serial harasser and never bothered to discipline him despite multiple reports, but I doubt that would attract a whole lot of attention. But that sort of situation is almost certainly the more common.
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Xantippe
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That’s true.
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AlNg
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Shouldn’t a woman know that there is something amiss about meeting a man alone in his room in a hotel?
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ATraveller
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AlNg
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That’s not right. First the woman is a victim of a disgusting abuser, and now she is victimized secondly because men are advised not to date or marry her.
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ATraveller
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Two main reasons.
Starting with the most outrageous one, they didn’t do enough to prevent it. She’s loose with her morals, etc. Essentially victim-blaming.
The second is many men fear that they maybe identified as the abuser or rapist subconsciously by the victim.
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DarkLight
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To be fair, I think misunderstanding of trauma is often behind it. Effects on a woman’s romantic relationships really are common, and even if the woman is aware and trusts her partner it can be difficult. Her partner will have to be aware and work with her, and trauma can put a woman in a position where she’s not ready to engage in a healthy relationship for a while.
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TheAmazingGrace
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He wasn’t taken to court.
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