Has the #MeToo movement become a witch-hunt to a significant degree?
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starshiptrooper
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Young people have always had dumb ideas. The scary part is when they try to codify dumb ideas like this as law, eliminate any notion of female responsibility, and erase due process protections in order to enforce their unrealistic ideas about sex onto the population.
If this keeps up, well boys, our options are not going to be pretty.
If this keeps up, well boys, our options are not going to be pretty.
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ConstantLearner
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Me, too. And I know men who have been victims of sexual harassment. It isn’t confined to women.
I believe there are many men, and some women, who are guilty of sexual harassment, but I certainly do not believe all the #MeToo women have been harassed. And the longer a grown person waits to come forward, the less inclined I am to believe them.
We are ALL traumatized by certain things, in childhood and adulthood. If we aren’t, we are machines, not humans. Trauma is NO EXCUSE for a grown man or woman not to immediately report harassment or abuse.
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starshiptrooper
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Besides, as someone admitted earlier on in the thread, they are not even naming their alleged attackers or trying to go to the authorities. Therefore they either doing this for attention or trying to undermine due process. Both motivations are obviously problematic.
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ConstantLearner
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I live in Los Angeles. I know that the more famous a person is, the more likely they are to feel they can “get away with it.” So does LE. I believe Bill Cosby is an abuser, but what I cannot fathom is WHY 50 women chose to advance their career rather than report his abuse.
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ConstantLearner
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Absolutely true.
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ConstantLearner
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And the women who sexually harass? Or who make false accusations? I think they should wear name tags, too.
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Xantippe
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It’s not that vague. For example–is there reciprocity, or is one person doing all of the initiation while the other just sits there like a sack of potatoes?
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Xantippe
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There are more women going to jail for inappropriate conduct with boys than probably ever before.
When I was a teen and young adult, it just wasn’t a thing that “relationships” between underage boys and female teachers would be discovered and prosecuted to the full extent of the law.
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Xantippe
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I feel like there are a number of other possibilities:
–expressing solidarity/supporting victims
–raising awareness
–scaring the socks off harassers and rapists
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starshiptrooper
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They get far lighter sentences than if the genders were reversed. So much for prosecution to the full extent of the law.
You know, if I walked into a strip club, got blackout drunk and then woke up to discover that my smartwatch and wallet were missing, I doubt that I would get much sympathy from you and there would probably be some “victim-blaming” going on as well.
You know, if I walked into a strip club, got blackout drunk and then woke up to discover that my smartwatch and wallet were missing, I doubt that I would get much sympathy from you and there would probably be some “victim-blaming” going on as well.
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Xantippe
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He seems to have started his career of drugging-and-raping in the 1960s. In the 1960s and 1970s, social attitudes were very different than they are today. It’s taken a really, really long time to get to where we are today. For examples, see how 1970s movies handle rape.
Also, the use of quaaludes made the women’s testimony potentially much less viable. It’s only when you realize that there were literally dozens of women with similar stories that it starts becoming clear that it was predatory, planned behavior on Cosby’s part.
(Roman Polanski also used quaaludes on the 13-year-old girl he was convicted of raping in the late 1970s.)
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starshiptrooper
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Ah yeah, I bet those victims really appreciate the hashtags.
“raising awareness” sounds like a bid for attention to me.
“I was sexually assaulted but I did not go to the police and now I just posted the story 10 years later on social media with a hashtag and no real details,” does not exactly sound like the sort of thing that would intimidate a rapist.
“raising awareness” sounds like a bid for attention to me.
“I was sexually assaulted but I did not go to the police and now I just posted the story 10 years later on social media with a hashtag and no real details,” does not exactly sound like the sort of thing that would intimidate a rapist.
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Xantippe
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You sure about that?
Alabama man won't serve prison time for raping 14-year-old
Austin Smith Clem raped a teenager three times. His punishment: supervision and probation.
www.motherjones.com
“An Alabama man convicted of raping a teenage girl will serve no prison time. On Wednesday, a judge in Athens, Alabama, ruled that the rapist will be punished by serving two years in a program aimed at nonviolent criminals and three years of probation.”
“Fighting back tears, Auliea Hanlon sat on the witness stand in a Montana courtroom, just feet away from the man who pleaded guilty to raping her 14-year-old daughter – and initially received a sentence that required him to serve just 31 days in prison.”
"Stacey Dean Rambold was accused of raping Cherice Moralez, a freshman in his business class at Billings Senior High, in 2007.
“Moralez committed suicide in 2010, before the case went to trial and before she reached her 17th birthday.”
"After the initial ruling, Baugh drew intense criticism for both the brief duration of his initial sentence and comments he made, which some said placed blame on the victim.
“Baugh [the judge who gave 31 days after the victim committed suicide] said the victim looked older than her years and was “probably as much in control of the situation as was the defendant,” according to the Montana attorney general’s office.”
“The 55-year-old teacher pleaded guilty to sexual intercourse without consent; last year Judge G. Todd Baugh handed Rambold a 15-year sentence with all but 31 days suspended.”
That case got resentenced to a more reasonable 10 years, but I think it’s not really clear that the sentences are so much lighter for female offenders. There are ridiculously light sentences handed out to male rapists.
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Bruised_Reed
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Why do you think that is? Could it be that there is an attitude that it was a dream come true for the victim because what red blooded boy wouldn’t want to bang his hot teacher? I recently watched a video of adult men scoffing at the idea that a boy would think it was abuse. It’s a common theme in pop culture.
That crime would probably be investigated or there would be some empathy…hang on have to google some tweets…
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Xantippe
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You sound concerned.
And yes, a lot of victims do appreciate the current social media campaign.
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starshiptrooper
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In teacher-student sex cases, men average longer jail terms, newspaper analysis reveals
A Star-Ledger analysis of 97 cases in New Jersey over the past decade reveals significant disparities: Men are on average sent to jail in more cases and receive longer sentences than women
www.nj.com
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starshiptrooper
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Having been the victim of a false accusation at work by a woman (not sexual harassment but just as serious) and only being exonerated because the cameras, yeah I do have reason to be concerned.
Rather roundabout way of calling me a rapist though. Typical feminist response though, anybody who disagrees with you has to be evil.
Rather roundabout way of calling me a rapist though. Typical feminist response though, anybody who disagrees with you has to be evil.
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Bruised_Reed
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Okay, not what I was looking for (the actual tweets would have been better; I’ll get there…anyway)…
So this guy is at a tech conference and while socializing at night, is accidentally roofied. He’s still out of it but shares his story on Twitter to warn others. He gets support from (almost) everyone; no one blames him, no one asks what he was wearing, or any of the other victim-blaming crap.
So, if you passed out someplace, I would hope that someone would help you and encourage you to report the theft and, if you thought it was a possibility, being drugged.
Link to Tweets:
If you go to the linked tweet and scroll down. Note the support and empathy he gets from men and women. If that happened to a woman, in today’s climate, she would probably get similar support, from women and men, but not a couple of years ago.
So this guy is at a tech conference and while socializing at night, is accidentally roofied. He’s still out of it but shares his story on Twitter to warn others. He gets support from (almost) everyone; no one blames him, no one asks what he was wearing, or any of the other victim-blaming crap.
So, if you passed out someplace, I would hope that someone would help you and encourage you to report the theft and, if you thought it was a possibility, being drugged.
Link to Tweets:
If you go to the linked tweet and scroll down. Note the support and empathy he gets from men and women. If that happened to a woman, in today’s climate, she would probably get similar support, from women and men, but not a couple of years ago.
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Theo520
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There is a whole lot of grey area between what you describe (comatose) and both parties being ‘equally’ enthusiastic. Besides some people are highly expressive and some are more passive.
When we are talking about life shattering implications, we need to do better. Whether for moral or other reasons regret is a real thing by both men and women. Far too many people feel regret and would love to put the responsibility on someone else by recalling they were not equally enthusiastic. Expecting people to say “yes” or “no” (at any time) is not too much to ask.
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