Head Covering During Mass

[child_of_God85]

99.9%? How can that be?

Most of the people going to my church are older woman and woman taking their kids to mass (the husband choosing not to come).
It’s sad but true. I read and article somewhere that said most curch goers these days are women.

 

[slyboots]

We are a very large parish. And I am really in the minority because I wear head coverings. I guess my parish is unusually fortunate. We have families primarily. Men’s groups are huge at our parish, K of C, and Men’s Bible Studies etc.

Here’s my thought about negative comments though. Inasmuch as I feel that I am being obedient by wearing my covering, if someone did say something negative (although they have not done so) I would assume that the person was not acting in charity. And possibly they were being used as a stumbling block for me. If I allow them to deter me from covering given my belief that I am supposed to cover, then I would be waivering in my obedience simply because I was challenged.
Please don’t let challenges stop you from covering if the Spirit has asked you to do so.

 

[Tom317]

Most of the people going to my church are older woman and woman taking their kids to mass (the husband choosing not to come).
It’s sad but true. I read and article somewhere that said most curch goers these days are women.

I agree with it being mostly women, I see that in action many times. However, 99.9% seems extremre. Do you mean more like 80%

 

[child_of_God85]

I agree with it being mostly women, I see that in action many times. However, 99.9% seems extremre. Do you mean more like 80%

No, I’m serieous about the 99.9%.

 

[Tom317]

No, I’m serieous about the 99.9%.

well, it is sad that you have only one man for every 1,000 parishioners

 

[kaysette]

Here’s my thought about negative comments though. Inasmuch as I feel that I am being obedient by wearing my covering, if someone did say something negative (although they have not done so) I would assume that the person was not acting in charity. And possibly they were being used as a stumbling block for me. If I allow them to deter me from covering given my belief that I am supposed to cover, then I would be waivering in my obedience simply because I was challenged.
Please don’t let challenges stop you from covering if the Spirit has asked you to do so.

I love what you said about this. There are so many other topics which other Christians have negative comments and beliefs about besides headcoverings. Many Christians can’t even agree about what is sin and what is not sin. The determination about whether to cover the head during prayer or at church cannot be based on what others say or think. Otherwise, how could we even live a Christian life at all?

Being raised Protestant, most of the people I have known as Christians think that going to a Catholic Church is WRONG and SINFUL – even idolatrous! Since when does a Catholic practice their convictions based on what others think?

I am really praying about whether or not to start covering my own head, because I was raised in a Protestant denomination that taught it was scriptural to do so, and then left the practice out of peer pressure when I left that denomination. I love this string…

 

[justthefacts]

I’ve been trying to convince my wife that she ought to cover her head in Church, but of course she won’t. Some have pointed out that head coverings for women in Church is an old custom that is no longer necessary.

Given that, I’ve decided that as long as women refuse to cover their heads in Church, I’m going to begin wearing a hat in Church. If women can change the custom, so can I.

Incidentally, one day one of our priests left the alter, walked down the aisle and told a man to remove his hat, but I’ve never heard of a priest telling women to cover their heads. Go figure.

brilliantly put, its time for women to wake up and for men to take authority over their wifes for this disobedience…This isnt meant to be a cocky comment, I am deadly serious…

 

[LilyM]

brilliantly put, its time for women to wake up and for men to take authority over their wifes for this disobedience…This isnt meant to be a cocky comment, I am deadly serious…

Women are being perfectly obedient - to the Church. If it’s not a church requirement for a woman to cover her head (which it isn’t) then the husband doesn’t have the right to demand that she does.

 

[justthefacts]

Women are being perfectly obedient - to the Church. If it’s not a church requirement for a woman to cover her head (which it isn’t) then the husband doesn’t have the right to demand that she does.

It is a requirement and several priests have told me it is as well. You need to read the Bible and the Church Fathers, its quite clear to me. Funnily enough not one person who says that women shouldnt cover their heads, can give me one authoritative quote to back their assertion up…

Women arent being obedient to the Church, they have believed the feminist lie and we (men and women) are suffering for it!!

 

[LilyM]

It is a requirement and several priests have told me it is as well. You need to read the Bible and the Church Fathers, its quite clear to me. Funnily enough not one person who says that women shouldnt cover their heads, can give me one authoritative quote to back their assertion up…

Women arent being obedient to the Church, they have believed the feminist lie and we (men and women) are suffering for it!!

It’s quite clear to me it was once part of Canon Law and isn’t any more - and that it would have been kept in if it was desired to keep women covering themselves up. That’s not just absence, that’s pointed and significant non-reinstatement of what had been a legal requirement.

Not to mention that at least one of the Popes since would have mentioned the lack of headcovering if they’d considered it at all significant, since they’ve done so with Communion in the Hand, liturgical dance and plenty of other practices they’re not fond of.

This is one case in which the silence from the Vatican on the issue is positively deafening.

 

[justthefacts]

It’s quite clear to me it was once part of Canon Law and isn’t any more - and that it would have been kept in if it was desired to keep women covering themselves up. That’s not just absence, that’s pointed and significant non-reinstatement of what had been a legal requirement.

Not to mention that at least one of the Popes since would have mentioned the lack of headcovering if they’d considered it at all significant, since they’ve done so with Communion in the Hand, liturgical dance and plenty of other practices they’re not fond of.

This is one case in which the silence from the Vatican on the issue is positively deafening.

Again I dont see any authoritative quote from you, until you do that you are showing me that this is just your interpretation on the matter, when God’s word and the fathers are crystal clear on the matter.

 

[TNT]

Headcovering:

Against:
Liberals
Nearly all protestant brethren.
Conciliar Church members.
Feminists
Atheists
Satan “I will give no honor…”
New age “Christians”

This amounts to the consensus of many many millions

For:
God - maybe
Virgin of “Do whatever He tells you.” - probably at least by example.
Angels - likely
St Paul - certainly
Sacred Tradition - Scripture took the time to run on about it for many verses.

These few against the millions of humans and countless fallen angels would make wearing headcovering obnoxious to our fellow mankind and is certainly not ecumenical.

That’s all.

 

[lizaanne]

This is one case in which the silence from the Vatican on the issue is positively deafening.

Perhaps that’s because most women in Rome cover their heads at Mass already? Just a thought.

The United States is not the only place in the world, though some believe it to be.

~Liza

 

[LilyM]

Perhaps that’s because most women in Rome cover their heads at Mass already? Just a thought.

The United States is not the only place in the world, though some believe it to be.

~Liza

I’ve not personally been to Mass in Rome - I know plenty of women who have, not to mention plenty of Italians, most of whom wouldn’t cover their heads even to meet the Holy Father himself. So I can safely say no.

 

[OutinChgoburbs]

Perhaps that’s because most women in Rome cover their heads at Mass already? Just a thought.

The United States is not the only place in the world, though some believe it to be.

~Liza

I don’t think so, Sweetie.

And as for an authoritative quote (although one who is bent on FORCING his wife to cover- when it is her choice- will probably not accept anything other than St. Peter coming down from the sky and telling him so):

jimmyakin.typepad.com/defensor_fidei/2006/08/mantillas_chape.html

jimmyakin.typepad.com/defensor_fidei/2006/09/chapel_veils_re.html

canonlaw.info/2006/09/vatican-ii-canon-1262-and-chapel-veils.html

ewtn.com/expert/answers/head_coverings_in_church.htm

 

[Tom317]

OutinChgoburbs,

Responses to Colin Donovan

catholicintl.com/epologet…-covering1.htm

catholicintl.com/epologet…l/covering.htm

Responses to Jimmy Akin

catholicintl.com/epologet…ovan-veils.htm

 

[Tom317]

I’ve not personally been to Mass in Rome - I know plenty of women who have, not to mention plenty of Italians, most of whom wouldn’t cover their heads even to meet the Holy Father himself. So I can safely say no.

If it turns out that head coverings should still be worn by women, would you wear one?

 

[Tom317]

Working links.

Response to Jimmy Akin
catholicintl.com/epologetics/articles/pastoral/covering.htm

Response to Colin Donovan

catholicintl.com/epologetics/articles/pastoral/head-covering1.htm

catholicintl.com/epologetics/articles/pastoral/head-covering-print.htm

 

[Margita]

The United States is not the only place in the world, though some believe it to be.

I spent 24 years of my life as a practising Catholic in Europe. Various countries. NEVER saw a woman with a mantilla in church. Old ladies wore either hats or kerchiefs, granny-style - but not all of them.
I won’t take sides in this issue, just thought I’d share this bit of info.

 

[LilyM]

If it turns out that head coverings should still be worn by women, would you wear one?

Of course - I would also take communion on the tongue and kneeling too. I’d feel a right fool covering my head, and awkward taking communion on the tongue, at least at first, but I’d do them.

The point is it won’t just ‘turn out’ that they should still be worn - the Magisterium doesn’t make those sort of neglectful mistakes. What would happen is that a magisterial pronouncement of some kind will TELL us that we should commence wearing them again. Because it’s discipline and not Apostolic tradition. Like married clergy and leavened bread weren’t Apostolic tradition binding for all time merely because the Apostles were probably all married and probably used leavened bread at least sometimes.

The highest authority we have at the moment is the Canon definitively abrogating the previous Canon requiring headcovering. The Pope accepts it as the last word, most Bishops accept it, so should you.