Hillary Wears A Cross

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Dacinom said:
Many sinners wear crosses…myself included.

Whatever her internal motivation is for wearing it we will never really know, however I do think that the more a person (respectfully) wears a symbol of Christ…the more that Christ has a way of getting through to that person…I hope.
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The only thing that can change a person is the body and blood of christ. Not a symbolic cross, cracker, and grape juice.

That diamond studded cross is about as likely to change the heart of Hillary as the cross that the material girl hung herself on.

Lastly, Hillary is an Illuminist she not christian. She is using the symbol of the cross as a symbol of what she is going to do.
 
josephdavid said:
Bush and most Republicans advocate the slaughter of hundreds of thousands of Iraqis women and children. Advocate leaving millions of American children with out health insurance for the sake of the minority of the wealthy.

Bush advocates abortion in some cases so he is not entirely pro-life. Even said birth-control is OK.

So I guess neither parties are really pro-life.
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I know that is how you rationlize your avid support of the abortionists but has been pointed out to you numerous times you views are in direct contradiction to the clear teaching of our Church.

Just to refresh your memory :

“Not all moral issues have the same moral weight as abortion and euthanasia. For example, if a Catholic were to be at odds with the Holy Father on the application of capital punishment or on the decision to wage war, he would not for that reason be considered unworthy to present himself to receive Holy Communion. While the Church exhorts civil authorities to seek peace, not war, and to exercise discretion and mercy in imposing punishment on criminals, it may still be permissible to take up arms to repel an aggressor or to have recourse to capital punishment. There may be a legitimate diversity of opinion even among Catholics about waging war and applying the death penalty, but not however with regard to abortion and euthanasia.”

Cardinal Ratzinger
 
deb1 said:
I can understand people’s skepticism. She is married to a man who seemed a master at PR, so it is natural to wonder if she is being sincere.

Still, I will extend to her the benefit of the doubt and try not to be judgemental. I don’t like her politics. But I don’t know what is in her heart. Perhaps she is a very flawed Christian(she is not that different from me in this regard) or is on her way to becoming a Christian.
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I think there are many women who are christians that are just looking for an excuse to vote for her because she is a woman.

Your response leads me to think she has your vote.
 
JamesG said:
I think there are many women who are christians that are just looking for an excuse to vote for her because she is a woman.

Your response leads me to think she has your vote.
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No, I usually vote republican. Simply because I don’t hate the woman does not mean that I will vote for her. There are to many of her beliefs that contradict mine.

It does strike me as odd that my post, which only stated that I would give her the benefit of the doubt when it came to faith, would lead you to conclude how I vote.

If you start a thread on specific issues that Hillary Clinton supports then you would see that there is very little, if anything, that I agree with her on.

Also, I never vote based on anything as silly as the gender of the politician.
 
JamesG said:
The only thing that can change a person is the body and blood of christ. Not a symbolic cross, cracker, and grape juice.
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That’s a rather deep theological question. I’m not sure this is the right place to discuss it.
That diamond studded cross is about as likely to change the heart of Hillary as the cross that the material girl hung herself on.
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I fail to see how you know that.
Lastly, Hillary is an Illuminist she not christian. She is using the symbol of the cross as a symbol of what she is going to do.
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The only use of Illuminist as a proper noun I’m aware of is a reference to the Illuminati. I don’t think we’ll go there. (did you mean a small ‘i’?)

Mike
 
MikeWM said:
The only use of Illuminist as a proper noun I’m aware of is a reference to the Illuminati. I don’t think we’ll go there. (did you mean a small ‘i’?)

Mike
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HMMMM??? Do you think perhaps she is the keeper of the “branding irons”???
 
JamesG said:
Are you saying that you support abortion?
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Hardly! But I can see how you might read what I wrote that way. 😉 I meant just the opposite–the criteria I find compelling is a candidate being a pro-life politician, which Hillary definitely is not, so I would NEVER vote for her!
 
estesbob said:
HMMMM??? Do you think perhaps she is the keeper of the “branding irons”???
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Yikes! Err, no. Bringing the Illuminati into a conversation never helps much, I find, much as I enjoy telling people I remember David Icke when he used to present the snooker on BBC2 🙂

Mike
 
Thomas_B said:
Yes indeed, she has maken her views clear over the years through her works. Besides the things I mentioned in my previous post, look at all the wickedness she is responsible for:
  • Led the charge, with Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-SC) to expand access to health care benefits for members of the National Guard and Reserve and their families by expanding eligibility to the TRICARE system;
  • Introduced legislation to provide for research comparing the effectiveness of alternative drugs, to assist seniors and other health care consumers to know which drugs are the most effective. This provision was included in the Medicare bill enacted in 2004;
  • Co-sponsored legislation with Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist (R-TN) to ensure that the US Center for Disease Control had the authority to combat Global AIDS; their bill was included in the final bill signed into law;
  • She is cosponsor, with Sen. Mike DeWine (R-OH), of the Family Asthma Act of 2005 to increase attention and resources on the rapid rise in childhood asthma in children.
Yes indeed, Hillary should be wearing a pentagram around her neck rather than a cross for all of her awful works as I’m sure the honorable senators Graham, Frist and DeWine will tell you.
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:hmmm: looks like your points on Sen. Clinton came from her Campaign website…:rolleyes:
 
aimee said:
:hmmm: looks like your points on Sen. Clinton came from her Campaign website…:rolleyes:
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For sure-she conveniently omits the fact that none of these “benefits” are availbae for the 7 plus million children aborted with her full support and approval since she became Senator.

remionds me of a funny story. My pastor is polish-he has been in this country about 10 years. He was trying to explain the significance of Paul’s conversion. he said “that would be like Hillary Clinton becoming Pope!”. Half the congregation laughed the other half gave him dirty looks.
 
JamesG said:
The only thing that can change a person is the body and blood of christ. Not a symbolic cross, cracker, and grape juice.

That diamond studded cross is about as likely to change the heart of Hillary as the cross that the material girl hung herself on.

Lastly, Hillary is an Illuminist she not christian. She is using the symbol of the cross as a symbol of what she is going to do.
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James,

I’m kind of surprised that you can make such a rush to judgement about another person’s spiritual disposition. I mean, maybe if you were a lifelong friend of Hillary’s, had known her growing up, and had deep conversations about her religious beliefs, well maybe you might have an idea of where she stands spiritually. But even then, only God truly knows what’s in a person’s heart.

I really blame our political leaders (in the US, though I’m sure it’s the same in Canada) for setting such a bad example for their citizens. Many of them label and relentlessly try to tear down one another with hate speech and personal attacks. I fully support fighting against ‘issues’ one doesn’t believe in and fighting for issues that one does believe in, but not personally tearing down others.

To me, personally fighting against individuals, or questioning their motives accomplishes nothing. I mean, who knows what has shaped Hillary’s views on abortion- none of us know and it’s pointless to speculate. But maybe praying for her might actually cause a change in her views. She’s a soul too you know, she, just like you and I, was created by God and is loved by God.

And as I’ve put in my previous posts, she has done some very good and very Christian work on this earth through her public service and we should be grateful for those while at the same time we pray that she changes her views on abortion.

-Thomas
 
aimee said:
:hmmm: looks like your points on Sen. Clinton came from her Campaign website…:rolleyes:
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Yep, and check the US Senate website for bills introduced, authored, and sponsored by Sen. Clinton and you’ll find the same information. 🙂
 
Thomas_B said:
Yep, and check the US Senate website for bills introduced, authored, and sponsored by Sen. Clinton and you’ll find the same information. 🙂
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There is NOTHING she can do to wash away the blood of the innocents she is covered in other than repent and work to end the abject evil she now promotes.
 
estesbob said:
For sure-she conveniently omits the fact that none of these “benefits” are availbae for the 7 plus million children aborted with her full support and approval since she became Senator.

remionds me of a funny story. My pastor is polish-he has been in this country about 10 years. He was trying to explain the significance of Paul’s conversion. he said “that would be like Hillary Clinton becoming Pope!”. Half the congregation laughed the other half gave him dirty looks.
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Estesbob, you keep making references to Sen. Clinton ‘fully’ and ‘avidly’ supporting abortion. As MikeWM said, Sen. Clinton’s actual position is that she hopes that abortion will be an extremely rare occurence and her support of the 95-10 plan-- which has tons of good ideas in it, though you seem convinced it is simply a Democratic ‘straw man’-- doesn’t tell me that she is avid supporter of abortion.

Also, I’m not sure what the point of your story is regarding your pastor. His comments don’t seem to be very mature or charitable. Also, he doesn’t seem to be very respectful of the Catholic Church’s position not to become overly involved in contemporary politics.
 
It is just wrong, nothing but a fascade. Its nothing but a political stunt and I’m sure everyone can see that.
 
Thomas_B said:
Estesbob, you keep making references to Sen. Clinton ‘fully’ and ‘avidly’ supporting abortion. As MikeWM said, Sen. Clinton’s actual position is that she hopes that abortion will be an extremely rare occurence and her support of the 95-10 plan-- which has tons of good ideas in it, though you seem convinced it is simply a Democratic ‘straw man’-- doesn’t tell me that she is avid supporter of abortion.

Also, I’m not sure what the point of your story is regarding your pastor. His comments don’t seem to be very mature or charitable. Also, he doesn’t seem to be very respectful of the Catholic Church’s position not to become overly involved in contemporary politics.
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When I read those comments I laughed .
I think that priest has a good sense of humor. I fail to see how he is becoming involved in politics at all. He is just making a point about how much Paul persecuted Jesus. Hillary does the same every time she promotes abortion. After all Jesus is in the least of our brothers and the least wanted. (the innocent victims of abortions).

I’m sorry but anyone who promotes abortion even in the smallest way won’t enter the kingdom of heaven unless they repent.
 
Thomas_B said:
James,

I’m kind of surprised that you can make such a rush to judgement about another person’s spiritual disposition. I mean, maybe if you were a lifelong friend of Hillary’s, had known her growing up, and had deep conversations about her religious beliefs, well maybe you might have an idea of where she stands spiritually. But even then, only God truly knows what’s in a person’s heart.

I really blame our political leaders (in the US, though I’m sure it’s the same in Canada) for setting such a bad example for their citizens. Many of them label and relentlessly try to tear down one another with hate speech and personal attacks. I fully support fighting against ‘issues’ one doesn’t believe in and fighting for issues that one does believe in, but not personally tearing down others.

To me, personally fighting against individuals, or questioning their motives accomplishes nothing. I mean, who knows what has shaped Hillary’s views on abortion- none of us know and it’s pointless to speculate. But maybe praying for her might actually cause a change in her views. She’s a soul too you know, she, just like you and I, was created by God and is loved by God.

And as I’ve put in my previous posts, she has done some very good and very Christian work on this earth through her public service and we should be grateful for those while at the same time we pray that she changes her views on abortion.

-Thomas
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Even Hitler and Stalin did some Good works. Should I be greatfull for them? No. In the end they rejected Christ and promoted death.
 
JamesG said:
When I read those comments I laughed .
I think that priest has a good sense of humor. I fail to see how he is becoming involved in politics at all. He is just making a point about how much Paul persecuted Jesus. Hillary does the same every time she promotes abortion. After all Jesus is in the least of our brothers and the least wanted. (the innocent victims of abortions).
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The comparison isn’t valid. God knew what was in Saul’s heart and mind. Saul knew he was doing wrong and God gave him the strength to turn away from it. No one here on earth knows what’s in Hillary’s heart or mind or can say that she fully knows the evil of abortion. Therefore, none of us here can judge the state of Hillary’s soul, and actually to do so goes against the teachings of Christ “Judge not…” “Don’t look at the splinter in your brother’s eye…”
I’m sorry but anyone who promotes abortion even in the smallest way won’t enter the kingdom of heaven unless they repent.
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I think this belongs more in the apologetics forum, but that isn’t true. One can only be morally culpable of committing a sin if they are aware that they are committing a sin, give their full consent and will to the sinful act, and it is mortal if it is of a grievous nature. We have no way of knowing what is in Hillary’s mind or the extent of her knowledge of the issue, only God knows so her fate is up to him. If you are concerned about the state of Hillary’s soul, why not write her a letter about the issue and urge her to change her views?
 
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