Homosexual Rainbow Sash Movement Threatens to Disrupt Pentecost Mass, Confront Cardinal George

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Zatzat said:
The Church should deny communion to all who partake in artificial birth control and who masturbate. A world wide public pronouncement from the Vatican reminding everyone that no person shall ever partake of the Eucharist if they use abc or masturbate.

Then all would be fair.
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Actually, it is correct that no one in a current state of mortal sin should receive communion. So if they are unrepentant participants in any of the sins you mention, they should not receive. That has always been Catholic teaching.
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I’m talking about the homosexualist agenda which is to: 1) force everyone to accept the homosexual lifestyle, not just merely tolerate it 2) punish those who disagree with the homosexual lifestyle with the power of law and 3) prohibit freedom of religion and freedom of speech if it disagrees with the homosexual lifestyle.

The rainbow sashers are definitely doing 1) and 3)
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I do agree with this. However I also think there is something to be said for the point that Zatzat made earlier. We are rightly concerned about the homosexual agenda being imposed on society. But the divorce agenda, the birth control agenda, the sexual revolution agenda, have already been imposed, and Catholics have pretty much caved in on all those agendas.

When Ronald Reagan first entered politics, his past divorce was nearly a disqualifying factor, and not just from Catholics. Divorce was highly disfavored by society in general, and it took good reasons to obtain one. Up until 1930, every mainline Protestant denomination condemned artificial birth control (as, of course, did their founders.) The types of sexual activity accepted as normal among most people now, would have stirred outrage only a few decades ago. So the homosexual agenda is merely the last on the list.
 
Zatzat said:
The Church should deny communion to all who partake in artificial birth control and who masturbate. A world wide public pronouncement from the Vatican reminding everyone that no person shall ever partake of the Eucharist if they use abc or masturbate.

Then all would be fair.
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Not too many people are out there screaming the masterbate every night or claiming they take the pill at all time and still receive communion. How can a priest deny somone, if he does not know the person is committing a sin and proclaiming it in public? You argument does not hold!
 
I just looked at the RSM website page promoting this event.
Does the juxtaposition of sentences here look like they are encouraging non-Catholics to go up to receive Holy Communion? :eek:

The whole thing is sad. 😦 The Sacred Liturgy is not the place for homosexualist ideological protest-- Mass is not the time or place for anybody’s political protest.
Pentecost is the Birthday of the Universal Church it is a time to celebrate our diversity as a people of faith with honesty.
We welcome all who believe that all the membe s of our Church can approach the sacred Eucharist with humility, and integrity.
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Participation does not require membership in the Rainbow Sash Movement or that you need to be of the Catholic faith.
Non Catholics are encouraged to join us in this celebration.
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The use of the word “allies” is indicative of a confrontational attitude.
The Rainbow Sash self identifies us
Lesbian/Gay/Bisexual/Transgender people and our allies.
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GraceSofia said:
Does the juxtaposition of sentences here look like they are encouraging non-Catholics to go up to receive Holy Communion?
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Yeah, it does look like that. 😦

I hope they counsel non-Catholics to attend, but not present themselves for communion. This is pretty important to know, I think.
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The use of the word “allies” is indicative of a confrontational attitude.
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I don’t think so. Simply because someone is supportive of homosexual rights doesn’t mean they are gay. So activists frequently include the word “allies” when referring to non-gay supporters.

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I found one Rainbow Sash Movement webpage which tells non-Catholics not to seek communion.
However, because of the Catholic Church’s official rule that only baptized Catholics are entitled to receive the Catholic Eucharist, we only encourage people who identify as Catholics to actually come forward seeking Communion. We include in this invitation those baptized Catholics who may have “left” the church because of issues of justice and sexuality.
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geoffreybaird.com/rsm/noncath.html

But its an Australian site, so its possible the US (or British) will do things differently. Those organizers really should be clear about this matter.
 
GraceSofia said:
I just looked at the RSM website page promoting this event.
Does the juxtaposition of sentences here look like they are encouraging non-Catholics to go up to receive Holy Communion? :eek:

The whole thing is sad. 😦 The Sacred Liturgy is not the place for homosexualist ideological protest-- Mass is not the time or place for anybody’s political protest.

The use of the word “allies” is indicative of a confrontational attitude.
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It is sad because what RSM is doing is really showing up that they are contrary to their own purposes “approach the sacred Eucharist with humility and integrity.”. I so wish they would just attend the Mass quietly and not be disruptive or cause an even greater scandal than what their circumstances already promotes. Their intent to disrupt the Mass is almost akin to family situations where a wayward sibing comes home for festive celebrations and upsets everyone.
 
Santi2, a protest is planned at Westminister Cathedral at the 10:30 AM Liturgy. Unfortunately, although their website invites non-Catholics it doesn’t say anything about the Eucharist only being for Catholics.
 
Dale_M said:
Santi2, a protest is planned at Westminister Cathedral at the 10:30 AM Liturgy. Unfortunately, although their website invites non-Catholics it doesn’t say anything about the Eucharist only being for Catholics.
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Thanks for the info! We’ll be ready for them then. I suppose (and hope) they would gather at the piazza and not attempt to go inside and disrupt Mass. Surely, they must be aware of legislation against such conduct in places of worship. In any event, the parishioners and Church stewards are strict in the Cathedral. By jove, you get dagger looks from members of the congregation and stewards escort people out when cellphones are allowed to ring during Mass!

Why, oh, why can they not just be happy to do their merry dance at their Soho church? :mad::mad::mad:
 
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Will make my own poster quoting RSM and hold them bound by what they say:
Pentecost is the Birthday of the Universal Church it is a time to celebrate our diversity as a people of faith with honesty… approach the sacred Eucharist with HUMILITY and INTEGRITY.
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Pentecost is the Birthday of the Universal Church it is a time to celebrate our diversity as a people of faith with honesty… approach the sacred Eucharist with HUMILITY and INTEGRITY.
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👍
 
Zatzat said:
What the Priests should really do, is remind everyone that NO ONE is to partake of the Eucharist if they’re in a state of unconfessed mortal sin.

Then the priest could rhyme off all the common sins that the average heterosexuals sitting in the Church commit regularly and clearly advise that they may not receive the Eucharist, unless they go to confession.

abc, missing mass, sexual thoughts, masturbation, divorced and remarried no annulment, lust, adultery, living in common law, having previously received the Eucharist in a state of mortal sin etc…
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This is fine and all and I am in agreement.

However:
  1. Most people I know who commit mortal sins, do not do so publicly. It is generally a private matter (especially when it comes to sexual sins). So, unless you have people handing out condoms in a public square, a priest may not know if you are mortally sinning.
  2. Confessions are PRIVATE. So even if a public sinner presents himself for communion, and had time to make a confession, the priest probably assumes they went. What you have here is no oppurtunity for confessions before they present themselves for the Eucharist.
  3. Priests should do a better job of catechising people.
 
As a Chicagoan, these folks come every year.

I hate to judge. I know not everyone in the city of Chicago is free of sin.

Yet, I’ve always wondered how many of those in the Rainbow movement are actual Catholics who truly love their faith, and not there there to protest and bring attention to themselves.

It’s similar to what was occurring at Sunday Masses on campus when I was in college in Chicago a few years ago. A group of girls would stand for the entire Mass to promote “womens’ rights in the Church.” They wouldn’t even sit down when Cardinal George came to celebrate Mass on campus. It eventually stopped when certain group members graduated or lost interest.

I’m sure these girls from that group who have graduated don’t stand by themselves every Sunday if they attend Mass at their home parishes. The same goes for the Rainbow participants. It’s a group mentality that looks to bring attention to themselves rather than an issue that is already known.
 
Santi2 said:
I was not able to attend the 10:30 Mass but, found out later that it was a “no show”…no one with a rainbow sash turned up.
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Well, then their press release is, um, not very truthful, to put it as charitably as possible.
Hhmmm, yes, that press release does sound like it was written by someone who was not there. 😃
 
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