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goofyjim
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You just won’t get me to therapy that has no basis in fact and is all conjecture. I have these attractions from early infancy, from the moment I was selfaware of my thoughts.
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Matrix_Refugee
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Yeah, and they turn around and accuse US of having an agenda, when we bascially just want to be treated no differently than everybody else. Projecting much??
I personally think it’s something that’s most likely a balance of nature and nurture, at least in my case. The only “trigger” that seems to exist for me is that my dad and I drifted apart emotionally as I got older, and then in my later teen years, he sort of went in the opposite direction and tried emotionally clamping down on me. He can be a bit of a control freak and while I was anything but what you’d call a wild kid (I’m sort of a friendly introvert), he seemed to think I had the potential to be and he tried some preemptive tactics that were unnecessary.
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jean8
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It’s amazing how far man will go to substantiate a sinful lifestyle.
It doesn’t matter what man has written or said. The bottom line is Rom.1:24-32, Lev.18:22, 1Cor.6:9-10 this is what the Lord has said.
God destroyed an entire city because of the sinful lifestyle of Sodom.
We all have a cross to bear.
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aspawloski4th
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Yep grit your teeth and bear it. If one looks at the sotry of Sodom it doe’s go byond just sodomy, but the nastieness of the Sodomites too. Since you are so literal in how you want to take that story, if I was to find myself in that situation today should I offer the females in my family to the perpetrators? After all it’s in the Bible!
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ladybri77
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Before the new testament/new covenant, there were certain things obviously that were written for the times. I am not saying most of the bible was written for the times at all, just saying the OBVIOUS things like what you are referring to above, offering females, and eating certain meats, etc. These things have no bearing on Jesus’ basic message about sin and how He told us what not to do so we could avoid it and protect ourselves from its destruction. He knew the consequences of sin, that it would destroy us and could lead to death. What you are speaking of is trivial. We are talking about the deeper meaning of the bible according to the gospel, not some trivial laws of the time.
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edwest2
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Do not defame the Bible. Lot was protecting angels of God. And the angels of God used the power given them.
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aspawloski4th
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I was not defaming the Bible! The Catholic church never intended to be a Bible in the first place. I was merely mentioning what was in the Bible, and asking if you were going to follow the whole story. I don’t see what just want to see, I see the whole thing.
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ladybri77
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You are wrong. The Catholic church has always gone by Holy Scriptures in proclaiming what they believe. What is the whole story might I ask?
Did you read my post above?
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aspawloski4th
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imeant the whole story of Sodom and Gomorah, and just about the part with the homosexuals. Lest we forget, there was not a compiled Bible till almost 400 AD. It would be more than another thousand years before it into commonors hands. It seems to me the typical commonor can’t handle knowledge from the Bible. Like lots of other literature the Bbible is interpeted to mean what ever we feel like having it mean, or worse yet just taken for surface value.
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ladybri77
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Well, most of it is cut and dry. What Jesus said when He spoke against perversions and other sins. It is quite clear. All this because He loves us. There is no misinterpreting these scriptures, or the scriptures in Romans 1, again cut and dry. If you have the Holy Spirit living within you, you are guided by and know His truth.
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keyboardrob
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Here’s a couple of facts-
First- the OT admonitions re homosexuality (the most famous from Leviticus) are part of what’s known as the “Holiness Code” of the Jewish Scriptures, handed on to us as the Old Testament. Those of us who are gay are told we must observe this code lest we perish in hell’s fire. Those who do so condemn us should read the ENTIRE “Holiness Code”. If you do read carefully, you’ll find that if I and my partner of 27 years are bound for hell, we’ll have many of you for company. Just count the number of items marked as “abominations” to God or how many times YOU could be put to death let alone those of us you condemn simply because of our sexuality.
Second- I’m in two professions that give me a unique perspective on marriage and related subjects. I’ll stack up my partnership with Jacob as well as the way our children have turned out against the majority of hetero marriages. Our partnership and family would come out on top in most cases. Example- my High School reunion- where i found the majority of my former classmates on spouse 2 or 3 (one case was on spouse 4) and their children left to make their on ways in life because Mom and Dad couldn (or wouldn’t) try to avoid the divorce courts. Forgiven, of course are those lost their spouses via tragic death at our relatively young ages.
Point is, read the scriptures a bit more carefully and make sure your own marital situation is in order before condemning anyone else’s- hetero or otherwise.
I’ve only had a chance to read few posts here. I’m not here to take sides- I want to enourage people to take a second look or MORE before jumping on a bandwagon that condemns others for questionable reasons.
Pax,
Rob
First- the OT admonitions re homosexuality (the most famous from Leviticus) are part of what’s known as the “Holiness Code” of the Jewish Scriptures, handed on to us as the Old Testament. Those of us who are gay are told we must observe this code lest we perish in hell’s fire. Those who do so condemn us should read the ENTIRE “Holiness Code”. If you do read carefully, you’ll find that if I and my partner of 27 years are bound for hell, we’ll have many of you for company. Just count the number of items marked as “abominations” to God or how many times YOU could be put to death let alone those of us you condemn simply because of our sexuality.
Second- I’m in two professions that give me a unique perspective on marriage and related subjects. I’ll stack up my partnership with Jacob as well as the way our children have turned out against the majority of hetero marriages. Our partnership and family would come out on top in most cases. Example- my High School reunion- where i found the majority of my former classmates on spouse 2 or 3 (one case was on spouse 4) and their children left to make their on ways in life because Mom and Dad couldn (or wouldn’t) try to avoid the divorce courts. Forgiven, of course are those lost their spouses via tragic death at our relatively young ages.
Point is, read the scriptures a bit more carefully and make sure your own marital situation is in order before condemning anyone else’s- hetero or otherwise.
I’ve only had a chance to read few posts here. I’m not here to take sides- I want to enourage people to take a second look or MORE before jumping on a bandwagon that condemns others for questionable reasons.
Pax,
Rob
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ladybri77
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Not only the Bible and the Catholic churches teachings…
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edwest2
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Hi Rob,
So what’s your point? My gay relationship is better than your hetero relationship? You’re right, there are a lot of things that the Bible condemns, but we are limiting things to the topic, so please don’t try to change the subject.
Prior to the let’s legalize gay sex movement, it was not a topic. Now, it is. But it goes far beyond ‘gay rights.’ In Massachussetts, little kids are forced, by the State, to read a story book called King and King. It is not a parental notification issue. Got that? The parents have no right to keep their own kids away from it.
Gay sex is against natural law and Divine law. That is not an opinion, that is Church teaching. So please don’t suggest there is anything vague about it. Other sexual sins are equally worthy of mention but those are other topics for discussion.
Peace,
Ed
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jean8
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So how far will you go ?
Question: “What does the Bible say about gay marriage / same sex marriage?”
Answer:" Before we look at gay marriage / same sex marriage, first we have to remember what the Bible says about homosexuality. While the Bible doesn’t address the concept of gay or same sex marriage, the Bible does clearly and consistently tell us that homosexual activity is a sin (Genesis 19:1-13; Leviticus 18:22; Romans 1:26-27; 1 Corinthians 6:9). God does not create a person with homosexual desires. A person becomes a homosexual because of sin (Romans 1:24-27), and ultimately because of his or her own choice. A person may be born with a greater susceptibility to homosexuality, just as people are born with a tendency to violence and other sins. That does not excuse the person choosing to sin by giving in to their sinful desires. If a person is born with a greater susceptibility to anger / rage, does that make it right for them to give into those desires? Of course not. The same is true for homosexuality."
God created a woman for Adam, not another man. Do you think God made a mistake?
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goofyjim
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Grin and bear it folks. I was born homosexual and there’s absolutely nothing wrong with me in that area. Nothing you or anyone else can do to change me because nothing needs changing. It is not a disability or a defect or a pscyhological or spiritual illness.
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Jermosh
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Goofyjim. Have you read this? Specifically article 11.
Keep up the fight though, its a hard cross for anyone to bear.
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goofyjim
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Can’t make out what article 11 is as my window won’t scroll down to it. Anyway since I am not sick I won’t worry about it.
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ladybri77
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What makes you so sure you were born that way? Did you have those desires right after you came out of the womb?
Were you a sensitive kid when you were young? Sometimes sensitive kids can be mistaken for being gay when that’s just part of their personality. Did kids make fun of you for this when you were growing up?
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Jermosh
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Does not say you are sick. Again read when you can scroll.
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Jermosh
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Sorry but that is just wrong. Lots of kids get picked on, and most of the Gay men I know are more masculine then the average straight male. Generalizations and stereotypes are not very charitable.
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