Honduras immigrants

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Yes it can happen. And I am all for securing the border. Mass deportations, especially of people who have never lived anywhere else in the life does more harm than it helps. Secure the border, help people secure a path to legal residence and/or citizenship, deport the ones that are dangerous, and set up a way for te average person to be able to visit or immigrate. The system
We have HIGHLY favors the rich from specific countries and specific regions within countries.
 
Fill out the forms, take the physical exam, get police clearance, and take a number … we admit one million per year … wait your turn.
 
Yes, and it’s bad enough that American citizens are harmed by US citizens. By enabling even more criminals to enter the country through neglect of our own laws and continued lack of security at the border, the government is adding to the victims, many of whom are Hispanic themselves.
 
If there was a process that allowed for it, most would. The process is completely sealed off for the majority of the world population
 
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Native born commit WAY more against all races, but they aren’t blasted in the news in the same way. It does come across as extremely racist
 
13pollitos said:
If there was a process that allowed for it, most would. The process is completely sealed off for the majority of the world population
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THERE IS A PROCESS!!

More than a million people per year follow the process!!

Easy peasy!!
 
No, it comes across as anti-illegal immigration. Racism is when one is against all members of a racial group just because of their race, not against a subset of that group which is doing bad things.

And believe me, few of the horrific crimes committed by illegal immigrants actually make the national news, as when they are committed against others of the same “race.”
 
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As many of us suspected, there is proof that the “caravan” is not coming to the United States for the sole purpose of asylum: Mexico offered asylum, and most of the “caravan” members rejected asylum in Mexico. The caravan is dominated by 70% young-single-males, with a few women and babies shamelessly put in the front as human shields.
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You have cited the 70% before without support. How about supporting it?

Also, your logic does not make sense. Why is it impossible that someone may want to have assylum in a place where there are jobs vs a place where there are no jobs or opportunity for them?
 
MonteRCMS said:
Fill out the forms, take the physical exam, get police clearance, and take a number … we admit one million per year … wait your turn.
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When their life in threatened, I don’t one can be expected to “wait their turn.”
THERE IS A PROCESS!!

More than a million people per year follow the process!!

Easy peasy!!
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Easy to say how someone else should have an easy time of it when you are not fleeing for your life.
 
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There are 100 jobs openings in my area, and there are 400 job seekers. Should the company be forced to to hire more people than it needs?

People do not always get what they want in life. Sometimes they get it, but not in the time frame they want. We can’t make the world perfect for everyone.
 
Annie said:
There are 100 jobs openings in my area, and there are 400 job seekers. Should the company be forced to to hire more people than it needs?

People do not always get what they want in life. Sometimes they get it, but not in the time frame they want. We can’t make the world perfect for everyone.
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Maybe in your area jobs are scarce , but all the news we have been hearing from Trump and company is that the jobless rate is at an historic low.
 
Your suggestion is that we take in those few whose lives are threatened who can make it here. There are people whose lives are threatened all over the world who do have barriers to walking to other nations. What about them?

And what about the fact that we can care for 12 refugees near their homes for every one that we care for here?

If the people in the caravan get asylum, they would be eligible for benefits under the ORR.
 
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Your suggestion is that we take in those few whose lives are threatened who can make it here. There are people whose lives are threatened all over the world who do have barriers to walking to other nations. What about them?
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Whataboutism?
And what about the fact that we can care for 12 refugees near their homes for every one that we care for here?
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Irrelevant since we don’t do that.
 
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Yes it is at an historic low. And when Congress does its job and deals with this, we can have provisions written into the law to accommodate legal immigrants coming in for those jobs.

Consider that illegal immigration hurts the poor of this nation the most, by providing unfair competition against poor people from here, and poor legal immigrants.
 
Under the law, there is no such thing of asylum for economic reasons or even for general violence, you have to be individually persecuted or persecuted for religion, race or political opinion. The way our asylum law is set up is if you just say the magic word we have to issue an interview - to see if someone makes the first cut and can even apply, and when that happens under the law a court date needs to then be setup, which is usually setup a year or two down the road. Problem is that we automatically allow people to enter the Country with no real determination if they even qualify for asylum. According 2014 statistics from the DHS there were 1.32 total immigrants from El Salvador, of which 700,000 are illegal, 916,000 from Guatemala of which 640,000 are illegal, and 558,000 from Honduras of which 400,000 are illegal. That means that about half of immigrants in 2014 from El Salvador were in the country illegally, as were somewhat more than two-thirds from Guatemala and Honduras.
 
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LeafByNiggle:
Irrelevant since we don’t do that.
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Both WE and the United Nations DO DO THAT!
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Given how bad things are in Honduras, it is obvious that it is not enough.
Annie said:
Yes it is at an historic low. And when Congress does its job and deals with this, we can have provisions written into the law to accommodate legal immigrants coming in for those jobs.
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We already have a process defined in law to handle this - a process Trump is refusing to use.
Consider that illegal immigration hurts the poor of this nation the most…
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Again, I am not suggesting illegal immigration.
 
Costa Rica is taking in 200 Nicaraguans in addition to other Latin Americans. 200 a day with the plan to increase it to 500. Each day. 200 a day is about 70,000-75,000 a year. Just from one country. 500 a day is about 180,000. This does not include those escaping Venezuela, El Salvador, Honduras, and other countries. Costa Rica is not a very big area. If they can find room, surely we can too.


 
Sounds like the Dominican Republic before and during WWII. Was the US willing to accept Jewish refugees? Nope. But the DR was, for crying out loud.

As they say, history rhymes.
 
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Whataboutism
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That’s one of the most detestable words in the vocabulary of liberal newspeak, the word you are looking for is hypocrisy, if we are morally obligated to take in this horde then why aren’t we morally obligated to take in ALL migrants? While disagreeing I’d respect your bleeding heart beliefs if they were at least consistent, but I suppose arguing for complete open borders sounds outrageous even to the most indoctrinated lefties.
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Sounds like the Dominican Republic before and during WWII. Was the US willing to accept Jewish refugees?
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Jews using their people’s past suffering to guilt others into doing their political will? HOW UNHEARD OF!!! Hey maybe Israel should stop its illegal occupation of Palestine? Israel is a rich country it must become multicultural and share its wealth with those less fortunate after all Israel isn’t a Jewish state…its for everyone!
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As they say, history rhymes.
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Germans migrants to the Roman empire
Europeans into the Americas
Chinese into Tibet
Jews into Palestine
The collapse of the ethnically diverse Russian, Ottoman and AustroHungarian Empires
Yugoslavia…
Yes history repeats
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Dominican Republic
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Fun fact the Dominican Republic has super strict border laws with its historical enemy Haiti, are they racists?
 
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