Honduras immigrants

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gracepoole said:
Sounds like the Dominican Republic before and during WWII. Was the US willing to accept Jewish refugees? Nope. But the DR was, for crying out loud.

As they say, history rhymes.
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I saw a remark above, I thought current but maybe not when the Jews were turned away from the US and the Dominican Republic.

Aside from being a small country, let’s not forget, present day Israel does not even give citizenship to the Gazan Palestinians. They are also fairly strict on immigration. So, every time, one hears the pre-WWII ship stories (Trudea just apologized for Canada turning away such a ship), let’s not forget the flipside of the coin, Israel is not all welcoming of immigrants and let’s remember, the USA already accepts more migrants than other countries.

Also, per another post, I’ve now read some data that when we let in people from Italy, I’m sure 95% or more were good people, but I have read that perhaps, some of the criminal element could have been vetted out. Voila, organized crime has now been a problem for some time.
 
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LeafByNiggle said:
I don’t know of anyone who is for lenient border enforcement. I do see people who are for lenient consideration at legal points of entry to those who are claiming asylum.
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Lenient consideration equals leniency.

If the Democrats want to loosen the laws, where were they when Bush suggested amnesty and changes in our immigration laws and the Democrats were suddenly totally against that? When the Democrats had control of both houses and the presidency and could have changed it then?

Saying we should make all these exceptions for sad stories is not the way to follow the rule of law. Asylum is for those being persecuted by their governments, not for anyone who lives in a crime-ridden area. It is also for those who present themselves at border control points not those who claim asylum only after they have been caught crossing the border elsewhere.

I feel constantly emotionally manipulated by the Democrats and it is just getting really old.
 
I was a bit stunned at the blame of Italian immigrants for organized crime.

Organized crime is the fruit of the Anti-Catholic, Protestant Prohibition that took control of this country.
 
At some point the issue that there is high consumption of drugs in US will have to be addressed. It is unfortunate ,but since there is high demand, drug dealing crossing borders,illegal trafficking and quite a lot of evils are due to the fact there is demand.
And some countries are the path used to reach consumers. Terrible destructive business.
And for all that money,I guess drug producers become creative…
 
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Grazie! Also, the first victims of organized crime were Italian immigrants. They didn’t feel secure in getting help from authorities in a strange country due to language and trust issues. They didn’t know how trustworthy the police could be.
 
How does one country’s failure to accept refugees justify the same action taken by another?
 
Victoria33 said:
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gracepoole:
How does one country’s failure to accept refugees justify the same action taken by another?
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Fine. Don’t answer the question. Thank you for participating.
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I’m pointing out that the question is illegitimate because it’s a fallacy. No need to answer questions that make no sense. 🤷‍♀️
 
I’m still waiting to hear how magnets help those seeking asylum.
 
Victoria33 said:
Also, per another post, I’ve now read some data that when we let in people from Italy, I’m sure 95% or more were good people, but I have read that perhaps, some of the criminal element could have been vetted out. Voila, organized crime has now been a problem for some time.
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I will stand for Italians. They are probably together with Spanish the biggest groups that arrived here where I live. You can tell that we have blended well when you see us using our hands to speak 😄
Crime probably exceeds us all. And a criminal mind is something very difficult to understand for us just average hopefully decent people.
 
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I will stand for Italians. They are probably together with Spanish the biggest groups that arrived here where I live. You can tell that we have blended well when you see us using our hands to speak 😄
Crime probably exceeds us all. And a criminal mind is something very difficult to understand for us just average hopefully decent people.
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That does not change the fact, that nowadays, immigrants are vetted for criminal backgrounds better than maybe they were back in the day. That’s all that is discussed. If one wish to dismiss the idea that immigrants should not be vetted, that is a bridge too far for me.

Organized crime comes from everywhere. Gangs of New York and on and on. I was just saying, I read about it in a book.
 
I know…it is just that it exceeds us,wherever we are. We worry but we have inherence up to a certain point. Much more only frustrates us.

It is good to read as well that there is some sort of interaction against crime among countries. Peace takes an effort and it is for all people
I do not think anybody goes for no vetting and a free pass. It is only just reasonable to take care of each other
 
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Socialism is supposed to be better than capitalism, so they should march south to Venezuela.
 
Well,that would be a real test for those defending the regime in Venezuela. Believe it or not,I read a piece where there was a very low percentage( but still a percentage…) here that defended their policies.
I was honestly tempted to say : " Doors are open to leave then". But I restrained…I do not wish anyone that bad fate.
We are receiving Venezuelans continuously,but I think Colombia has surpassed 500,000,if I am not mistaken.
Some people believe in socialism some others are just crooks. And I stop here. Don’t get me started with Venezuela and some characters and their gang…
 
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