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President Trump is a unique non politician, but he is not far right. Harris is the most leftist member of congress and Biden will do whatever she wants.
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My hero? You read too much into my posts. I guess you are not omniscient after all.
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Dracarys
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Okay please do so again. It’s better than voting for the adamant abortionist.
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1cthlctrth
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Again, history:
There were 10 cases in which the President nominated a Supreme Court Justice during the final year of his 4-year term when the opposition party controlled the Senate. In only 2 of those cases was the Justice confirmed. Only 2 of 10 times.
There were 10 cases in which the President nominated a Supreme Court Justice during the final year of his 4-year term when the opposition party controlled the Senate. In only 2 of those cases was the Justice confirmed. Only 2 of 10 times.
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Nope, but if it walks like a duck…
BTW that is a cute Schnauzer in your picture. That was my first dog. I love the breed. They are very smart.
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Shakuhachi
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Thank you. She sure has me trained but getting old.
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1cthlctrth
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Voters have a decision to make. What’s more important:
If we don’t get behind Trump, I don’t think we’ll ever see (in our lifetime) another President who figures it’s worth the trouble to actively fight for life and religious liberty.
- a few tweets by the President that a voter dislikes
- the future of this country for the sake of our kids and grandkids?
If we don’t get behind Trump, I don’t think we’ll ever see (in our lifetime) another President who figures it’s worth the trouble to actively fight for life and religious liberty.
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I think this is the central philosophical question regarding this debate.
If an intended action has two consequences, one of which is intended, the other which is not intended but merely foreseen, is the person acting responsible for the latter?
Those who would vote for Biden who simultaneously hold to the teaching of the Church regarding abortion, answer in the negative. They believe that on account of proportional reasons for favoring Biden, they do not incur the responsibility of abortion by voting for a candidate that supports it.
In my opinion the discussion should be centered on producing reasons for and and against this principle. Otherwise I think the discussion is really doomed to be fruitless for everyone involved.
If an intended action has two consequences, one of which is intended, the other which is not intended but merely foreseen, is the person acting responsible for the latter?
Those who would vote for Biden who simultaneously hold to the teaching of the Church regarding abortion, answer in the negative. They believe that on account of proportional reasons for favoring Biden, they do not incur the responsibility of abortion by voting for a candidate that supports it.
In my opinion the discussion should be centered on producing reasons for and and against this principle. Otherwise I think the discussion is really doomed to be fruitless for everyone involved.
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"The Democrat Party-press and the Democrat Party, as well as Washington/NY-based GOP insiders, have spent the last 4 years demonizing Donald Trump. It has been an unprecedented campaign of character assassination, the likes of which no living American has ever seen against a sitting president. They’ve concocted scandals and narratives involving the Russians, Ukrainians, his businesses and finances, the coronavirus, race, etc. They launched a Soviet-style criminal investigation without a lawful predicate, which came up empty. They unconstitutionally impeached him, with no hope of removing him from office. The goal has been to ruin his reputation, turn him into political kryptonite, and either force him from office or defeat his re-election effort.
"Every conceivable issue is exploited for the purpose of demonizing the president. Donald Trump’s tweets are carefully scrutinized to use against him in any way possible, while Joe Biden’s endless, appalling statements are dismissed as innocent gaffs; allegations of past personal indiscretions are used as cudgels against the president, but Tara Reade’s allegation of sexual assault against Biden are dismissed and now long forgotten (not to mention all the other women accusing Biden of unwanted touching, a firing offense in any other job); Trump’s numerous policies and outreach to minority communities are ignored, despite the fact that they’ve resulted in actual benefits to untold numbers of minority citizens, while Biden’s long history of supporting racist policies and making racist comments, all on the public record, are buried. Trump has been accused of being a dictator, Hitler, and Stalin in an unhinged and vicious attack on his character both in the media and by Democrats, yet he has been restrained and prudential in his use of power both here and abroad, mindful of the Constitution’s limits and the costs of war…
And it is they (Pelosi and Schumer) who cheered as more was learned of the lawless Obama presidency’s use of the FBI, intel agencies, and the FISA court to destroy the Trump candidacy and presidency.
“Of course, the president is not perfect, like most other human-beings, but he is more perfect than many of his modern predecessors, including FDR, JFK, LBJ, and Barack Obama. To varying degrees, they used the FBI, IRS, and/or CIA against their political opponents, and unleashed these agencies against hostile news organizations. But they’re not said to be dictators. No, they were “progressives” and, of course, Democrats. The limits of this platform prevent me from writing further. But keep all this in mind in the months ahead, as these same centers of power and privilege intensify their propaganda and demonization campaign against President Trump the closer we get to the November election.”
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The left & right issue is an enigma that only serves political identity for the sake of controversy. As for the conservatives not being any more conservative than usual, over the the progressives being much more progressive than usual. And if conservatives have remained the same then how can we explain the following?
- Withdrawing from many global community initiatives such as Environmental accords, World Health Organisation & a resurgence of wall building
- Changes to higher education, curtailing critical thinking doctrines, such as Philosophy, Political Theory & Journalism etc.
- In 2018 POTUS told the UN General Assembly that, “We reject the ideology of globalism and accept the doctrine of patriotism.
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1ke
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I don’t need anyone else “demonizing” Trump. He does it all by himself.
I have eyes and ears.
All his rallies are on You Tube. He put out his unedited interview with Leslie Stahl. He says and does despicable things every day And has for decades.
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1ke
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Don’t forget:
Spending money and running up the deficit Iike drunken sailors on shore leave. Not the hallmark of supposed conservatives or conservatism.
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Dracarys
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You have it backwards. That is all a conservatives response to an increasingly left wing agenda. The left increasingly wants us to do things like throw open our borders and embrace a one world order where we are all members of Gaia.
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Backwards is exactly how it works, as one voice gets louder the other also gets louder, they are always in contradiction with each other. The point i was trying to make is that it seems false to assume the conservatives have remained the same. They haven’t & as you pointed out they are implementing ideologies that are in opposition to the other. In other words becoming much more conservative at the same time the progressives are becoming much more progressive.EssentialBeing:
You have it backwards
Left wing or right wing we must always accept that they are different & in the end the 2 halves make up the one single body. I understand that we are inclined to accept one more than the other but both have good qualities & both have bad qualities, neither ideology is perfect
Both sides will increase or tighten their ideology to counteract the opposition. So yes both sides keep sliding towards the extreme end of conservative & the extreme end of progressive. In the end we almost always end up closer to the middle.
Nothing to do with Gaia or any other yoga alternative healing method. But everything to do with moving towards uniting humanity as one, after all we are one species of human being, all requiring the same basic needs for survival, being sustenance, shelter & love.
It is exaggerated to think any country must just throw open their borders, in actual fact all nations have an immigration system that has suited each nations individual needs over the decades. And yes I also believe that we must look after our own first & foremost, before we can even think about helping others. The saying goes " we must nourish ourselves before we can nourish others" this is very true as i can not feed others if i cant even feed myself.
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That is not what I said, and your claim is false. We have democrat liberals who admit to being socialist and many others who are proposing socialist policies. Democrats would never have done that 20 years ago. The only thing I see in conservatives changing is that that many retreat into the closet for fear of being labeled racist or mean. I see no evidence of conservatives becoming more conservative. The left is out destroying property in the street and shooting police officers while calling it peaceful protests, and the liberal press supports them. If anything President Trump is too liberal in many areas. I am a real estate investor, and President Trump wrongfully allowed CDC to prevent me from currently evicting deadbeat tenants who won’t pay. I see most people, including our Pope moving left. What evidence do you have that the majority of conservatives are moving more to the right?
I see nothing wrong with any of that. Who would disagree with loving their fellow human? The leftist would not agree with you wanting to take care of Americans first. They want open borders and free health care for all illegal aliens now.
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Dracarys
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And how social media disregards and covers up the Hunter Biden scandal. The Biden family made millions for what? How?
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EssentialBeing
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It is not false to understand that one voice is responding to the loudness of another voice & it is just the process of how two opposing ideologies function.
I have already pointed out several aspects of tightening conservatism in previous post on this thread, but here they are again
- Withdrawing from many global community initiatives such as Environmental accords, World Health Organisation & a resurgence of wall building
- Changes to higher education, curtailing critical thinking doctrines, such as Philosophy, Political Theory & Journalism etc.
- In 2018 POTUS told the UN General Assembly that, “We reject the ideology of globalism and accept the doctrine of patriotism.
No I wouldn’t disagree with you on this point, as for the progressives not agreeing with looking after ourselves first, seems incorrect, but I do suspect they may believe we have plenty, therefore we could use the excess to help others. In saying that, I am still a big believer in fixing our own backyard, before we help others fix theirs. It makes sense & seems to apply in our everyday life that we must nourish ourselves before we can nourish others.
How can I teach if I am not taught
How can I clothe others if I am still naked
How can I feed others If I cant feed myself
How can I give money if I have no money
It is impossible to give something that we do not have, so we must always start with our selves. Once our backyard is in order & their is enough to go around, only then can we look at helping others.
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Again your basic premise is flawed. The environmental accords unfairly allowed China and India to continue to pollute while the US was held to a standard that would penalize business. This is the conservative RESPONSE to liberal standards that always seem to hold up the US as the bad guys.
As for the wall that again is in response to the liberal left wanting to have open borders.
What are you talking about? Academia is full of leftist ideology. It is the conservatives that want critical thinking, and unbiased journalism. Surely you don’t see NBC, CBS, CNN, and PBS as critical thinkers. They just follow the democrat talking points.
Yes and after eight years of getting Obama apologizing for this great country, I applaud this. How is being patriotic moving too far to the right? You also forgot President Trump’s insistence that NATO start to pay their fair share of the US babysitting them for many years. Again that is just common sense.
With all due respect, you are doing a terrible job of making your point. Its the left that is engaged in open borders, programing our kids to hate the country, partial-birth abortions, the codification of Roe vs Wade, silencing of religion, rioting, and pillaging in the streets while calling it peaceful protest, attempting to defund the police, insane environmental rules that put thousands out of work and destroy businesses, increasing corporate taxes which only passes expenses on to the lower and middle class, social programs that will put us into a recession or depression, elimination of bail for criminals, wealth tax, and on and on …
I don’t see anything comparable coming from conservatives. And no I do not consider white supremacists or Nazis to be conservative. They are just crazy.
I agree, and through charity, we can help those who need it without overwhelming our country. The citizens of this country are the most generous in the world.
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