How can you be Democratic and also be Catholic?

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Erikaspirit16 said:
Only if you believe they are “innocent little babies” instead of a collection of cells. Once again you are assuming away the point of the issue!
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I might as well “assume” the sun is shining at high noon. Whatever happened to common sense? Did technical/medical terminology drive common sense out of people’s heads and. hearts? What do you suppose it is? A potential bear? A chimp? What do you expect from the union of a man and a woman? A watermelon? (Hint: A HUMAN PERSON).

Seriously? “A collection of cells”? No, rather a living, growing, developing human person. As are you, and I.
 
Oh. Now I understand what you mean.

Well, I think conservatives pick on us in regards to Faith, especially Church Dogmas and Tradition. I believe this is so because most of them are protestants.

Anyway, this is probably a topic to another thread (How can you be Republican an also be Catholic?)
 
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StudentMI said:
Most women don’t get abortions because of financial need.
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Read the polls from women who have had abortions. I trust what the women say, not what someone on the sidelines says–how do you know why they got abortions?
 
I do fight. I fight for the rights of any human being to make their own choices; good or bad, God will decide. Remember free will? God gave it to us.
 
Erikaspirit16 said:
Read the polls from women who have had abortions. I trust what the women say, not what someone on the sidelines says–how do you know why they got abortions?
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Because it was a study reporting what they said. And it rang more true with me than the sob stories even pro-lifers tell. I’m waiting to hear from a friend so I can post it here. For the life of me I can’t remember the address.
 
nicholasG said:
But I also understand that this world consists of other beliefs as well. Who am I to judge.
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One of the really comforting things about being Catholic is that one needn’t wrestle with angels like Jacob and figure everything out on one’s own. No one knows the thoughts of God except God’s spirit. But God gave the Church the power to bind and loose. The Church has teachings and the right to transmit them. As Catholics, we are obliged to obey them.

Frankly, I care nothing about beliefs held by others, as being without authority. And I don’t have to judge.
 
StudentMI said:
Avoid a lecture about the facts of the faith? Assuage their guilty conscience? In any case, if you disagree with the Church and 2000 years of moral teaching, just come out and say it! It’s at least consistent.
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I refer you back to the article by Noonan I linked to above. If you think that the official position of the Church has always been that all abortions are murder, you are mistaken. That has only been the position since 1867. And yes, some Catholics at all points have thought that, but most others have not. And the official opinion of the Church has changed on the issue. Not speculation, fact.

Please note that I am NOT saying the Church is wrong, etc. etc. I am simply stating historical facts.
 
TMC said:
The same goes for others that disagree with the Church’s teachings in other areas. Or that vote for Republicans for proportionate reasons despite the fact that the GOP also does not support all Church teachings. Goose, gander and so on.
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It isn’t a matter of geese and ganders. It’s a matter of whether we are free to make certain judgments or are not. In those things that are within the parameters of human reckoning, like the nature of a permissible defense or economic system, we have a moral right to make a prudential judgment. But some things do not admit of prudential judgment, and killing innocent children is one of those.
 
Erikaspirit16 said:
Please note that I am NOT saying the Church is wrong, etc. etc. I am simply stating historical facts.
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I refer you to the Catholic Catechism by Fr John Hardon as to the sources of Catholic teaching on abortion.

You may not be saying the Church is wrong but you are showing a degree of misunderstanding of the doctrine of infallibility in faith and morals.
 
StudentMI said:
I refer you to the Catholic Catechism by Fr John Hardon as to the sources of Catholic teaching on abortion.

You may not be saying the Church is wrong but you are showing a degree of misunderstanding of the doctrine of infallibility in faith and morals.
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Well, first I don’t think Hardon is infallible. I will go back to the official Catechism of the Church, thank you.

I don’t have any misunderstandings whatsoever.

As for why women get abortions, you could start here: Reasons U.S. Women Have Abortions: Quantitative and Qualitative Perspectives | Guttmacher Institute
 
Ridgerunner said:
One of the really comforting things about being Catholic is that one needn’t wrestle with angels like Jacob and figure everything out on one’s own.
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That’s the problem. We all NEED to think with the mind God gave us and not just accept teachings by mortal men. Men make mistakes, God doesn’t.
 
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Erikaspirit16 said:
Well, first I don’t think Hardon is infallible. I will go back to the official Catechism of the Church, thank you.

I don’t have any misunderstandings whatsoever.
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Did I say Hardon is infallible? Yes let’s go back to the official Catechism which states abortion is a grave offense against God.

You’re showing quite a bit of misunderstanding on this.
 
nicholasG said:
not just accept teachings by mortal men. Men make mistakes, God doesn’t.
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So you think God made a mistake when he gave the Church the power to bind and loose?
I think protestantism shows us what “thinking with the mind God gave us” leads to. Every man is his own church.
 
Yeah, I’ve read that before. Notice they skirt the issue. No one is saying–not me, not Noonan–that the Church ever said abortion was OK. But what they did say is that until you detected motion in the womb, abortion was NOT murder. It was a sin against the rights of the father. After you felt motion in the womb, abortion became murder.

And the stuff about “science” and the AMA in 1871 is hogwash. Being a doctor at that period was not a profession as we know it today. What was happening in 1871 is that doctors were losing business to midwives. Midwives also provided abortions. Their “scientific” opinion in 1871 was a thinly disguised attempt to eliminate midwives, and thus their main competitioin.
 
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Ridgerunner said:
It isn’t a matter of geese and ganders. It’s a matter of whether we are free to make certain judgments or are not. In those things that are within the parameters of human reckoning, like the nature of a permissible defense or economic system, we have a moral right to make a prudential judgment. But some things do not admit of prudential judgment, and killing innocent children is one of those.
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Of course I didn’t say any of that, but you already know that.
 
My religion doesn’t mean I give up my brains. God gave me a mind to think, so I think.
 
My state forces a choice between Democrat and Republican, if you want to be eligible to vote absentee in primary elections. Due to caregiver responsibilities, I have to vote absentee. Therefore I had to pick Democrat, because I always vote in that party’s primaries, to push them as far away from the pro-choice position as I can. Frankly, I think faithful Catholics should flood the Democratic party, and work to force them to adopt a pro-life stance.
 
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You cannot vote Democrat and be a practicing Catholic in regards to our current Presidential election. Pope Pius XII said to be Catholic, you must be baptized and profess the true faith. Is voting for a candidate who is in favor of slaughtering innocent unborn babies professing the true faith? The choices are crystal clear for us Catholics. . . .
 
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