How can you be Democratic and also be Catholic?

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Aulef said:
On the other hand, there is a trend among “traditionalists” to side with conservatives and the right wing, however this is also a big mistake,
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One thing about conservatives, though. They tend to leave us alone when it comes to our faith. Leftists don’t.
 
nicholasG said:
The word is abortion not murder. Murder is your interpretation. That’s why we have 2 words.
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“Genocide” is also a word used to describe deliberate killing of an innocent person. To a Catholic, though, there is no difference between “murder” and “abortion”.
 
nicholasG said:
Maybe we should all make up our own definitions to suit our own agenda, that would be cool!
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That’s your rebuttal?

If someone wants to support abortion and all that other stuff, be my guest. As I said above a Catholic can vote in good conscience for a party that promotes abortion or some other sinful thing for proportionate reasons.

What I’m tired of are Catholics who are pro abortion and feel the need to hide that fact under a veil of mental gymnastics and word games to… I’m not sure what. Avoid a lecture about the facts of the faith? Assuage their guilty conscience? In any case, if you disagree with the Church and 2000 years of moral teaching, just come out and say it! It’s at least consistent.
 
Do you think we ought to imprison mothers who have had an abortion?

Since it fits the definition of pre-meditated murder, sentence her to the death penalty?
 
Sarcelle said:
Do you think we ought to imprison mothers who have had an abortion?

Since it fits the definition of pre-meditated murder, sentence her to the death penalty?
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Yes and no as the Church now forbids the use of the death penalty.
 
Aulef said:
In which sense?
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Well, for instance, we know the DNC supports dissident Catholic organizations like Catholics United, that approve of abortion and homosexual “marriage”. The RNC has nothing like that.

Obama imposed the “HHS Mandate” requiring Catholic charitable organizations to provide abortifacients to their workers. No Republican administration ever did something like that.
 
Sarcelle said:
Do you think we ought to imprison mothers who have had an abortion?

Since it fits the definition of pre-meditated murder, sentence her to the death penalty?
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People are not in agreement about this, and most would not punish the woman, as a significant number of them are considered victims as well. Historically, they were not prosecuted.
 
Not in the Bible. Thou shall not kill/murder pertains to born persons Not a fetus.
 
What do you think is a fitting sentence for those who procure the service of an abortionist?

How was it handled in the past when abortion was illegal?
 
nicholasG said:
Thou shall not kill/murder pertains to born persons Not a fetus.
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The bible doesn’t say “Thou shall not shoot blindly into a crowded stadium” either, but while you can’t be sure you’ll kill anybody doing that, there’s a seriously morally culpably chance you will. So it is with an unborn baby. Nobody knows when a child is “ensouled” as a full human being. Maybe it’s at the moment of conception. But killing one is like shooting into the stadium. Maybe you don’t know you’re murdering a human being, but you don’t know you arent and there’s a mighty good chance you are.
 
Perhaps so. I’ll take your word for it if it’s the moment of conception.
 
Ridgerunner said:
Nobody knows when a child is “ensouled” as a full human being. Maybe it’s at the moment of conception. But killing one is like shooting into the stadium. Maybe you don’t know you’re murdering a human being, but you don’t know you arent and there’s a mighty good chance you are.
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As far as I’m concerned, I agree with you completely. I abhor abortion. But I also understand that this world consists of other beliefs as well. Who am I to judge.
 
StudentMI said:
If someone wants to support abortion and all that other stuff, be my guest. As I said above a Catholic can vote in good conscience for a party that promotes abortion or some other sinful thing for proportionate reasons.

What I’m tired of are Catholics who are pro abortion and feel the need to hide that fact under a veil of mental gymnastics and word games to… I’m not sure what. Avoid a lecture about the facts of the faith? Assuage their guilty conscience? In any case, if you disagree with the Church and 2000 years of moral teaching, just come out and say it! It’s at least consistent.
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I think we probably disagree more than we agree. That said, your statement above is absolutely fair and correct. But…

It is possible to agree with the Church on abortion and still decide to vote for a Democrat for proportionate reasons (I think you agree on that).

And…

The same goes for others that disagree with the Church’s teachings in other areas. Or that vote for Republicans for proportionate reasons despite the fact that the GOP also does not support all Church teachings. Goose, gander and so on.

Both sides have a bad habit of pretending to be able to squirm out of Church teachings to pretend their political favorites are 100% in line with the Church. They can’t. Neither side is. Both sides should 1) admit that they disagree with the Church where they do (rather than twist Church teaching to fit their politics), and 2) admit that they are making a proportionate moral decision to vote for an imperfect candidate. The disingenuous political moralizing by both sides is transparent and tiresome.
 
TMC said:
It is possible to agree with the Church on abortion and still decide to vote for a Democrat for proportionate reasons (I think you agree on that).
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I think I’m the second post in this thread saying exactly that.
 
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