How did Islam get so popular?

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Salibi said:
And you and your own as well.

Christ’s peace.
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Thank you.

Remind your Muslim friends of this:

'O God! If I worship You for fear of Hell, burn me in Hell

and if I worship You in hope of Paradise, exclude me from Paradise.

But if I worship You for Your Own sake,
grudge me not Your everlasting Beauty.’ (Rābiʻa al-ʻAdawiyya al-Qaysiyya).
 
jrgmercado said:
I believe that part of it was because people were forced
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There have been Catholic priests who were not forced to join Islam but did join anyway of their own accord. Perhaps they found the idea of the Trinity to be difficult to understand. They may have asked themselves how could Jesus be God if he did not know the day or the hour, but God the Father did know the day or the hour. however, they have great respect and love for Jesus and for His Mother.
Also, Islam is growing fast these days because Muslim women love children and love to have many children. This is true even in America. The Muslim family in our neighborhood has six or seven children already, whereas the Catholic church nearby has lessons in NFP. Catholic women are taught how to use NFP to restrict the number of children, and anyway according to many polls, there are Catholic families who use artificial birth control. American Catholic families tend to be smaller than the typical Muslim family.
Further, Muslims seem to take their religion more seriously than many Catholics. For example, Muslims pray to God five times every day. Many Catholics do not even go to Mass regularly on Sunday, which is only one day of the week, whereas Muslims will be praying 5 times on Sunday and on every day of the week.
Muslims will get extremely upset and may even riot if there is a hint of disrespect toward their prophet. However, even with all the blasphemous uses of the Holy Name of Our Lord in so many American movies, I don’t see any move by Catholics to refuse to attend and to boycott any movie or play or book which uses the Holy and Sacred Name of Our Lord in vain.
Another thing is the way Muslims pray. They will fall down and kneel and pray with their face to the ground. Is this not how Jesus prayed to His Father in Matthew 26: 39 Going a little farther, he fell with his face to the ground and prayed…


 
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Oh Lord, is this a Muslim prayer? I say this all the time! I forgot who taught it to me.

This is how I say it in Arabic:
Rabbi, in aabadtuka khafwan min al nar, ahriqni fi al nar

Wa in aabadtuka raghiban al janna, ihrimni al janna

Wa lakin in aabadtuka min ajlika fa hasab, fa la tahrumi ru’yataka ya Allah.

Amen
sign of the cross

EDIT: I am in shock that this turned out to be a Muslim prayer. I’m racking my mind as to where I learned it. Nothing.
 
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Salibi said:
EDIT: I am in shock that this turned out to be a Muslim prayer. I’m racking my mind as to where I learned it. Nothing.
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Seems like a beautiful prayer to me. Don’t see any reason a Christian couldn’t say it in good conscience.
 
Cornwallus said:
I am simply offering my opinion to the question of how did Islam get so popular recently in the western world, not historically world wide.
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I appreciate that threads can take a turn the original poster did not anticipate, but as I have stated a couple times now in the thread, I was only interested in the historical perspective for this thread.

I was not looking to have a discussion of why Islam is “so popular recently” although several people in the thread somehow decided to talk about that instead.
 
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The simple answer is secular politics.

The Roman Empire neglected the Arab territories, due to it’s internal political battles that continued to divide and weaken the Roman Empire. From a religious perspective most Condemned Christian heretics such as the Arians were banned into the Arab territories. Thus the Arabs were never correctly catechized by the True Catholic faith. Islam would expose a false trinity and deny a false trinity from the Quran that is never believed in by the Catholic faithful. Jesus divinity is also denied by Islam, when Arian Christians who denied Jesus divinity lived among them.

Lack of political and military support from the Roman Empire due to its’ own civil wars. Islam took up the banner of war to kill the infidels, forcing them to profess Islam or die. Upon Islam gaining lands and political power, laws were implemented to allow other faiths to live within Muslim conquered territories but had to pay the tax.

We have to take into consideration during Islam’s wars to conquer and convert the populace to Islam. The majority all tribes and peoples could not read or write. Let alone defend itself against Islam except the Jews. The condemned or banned heretical Christians who were forced to submit to Islam or converted to Islam, agreed with Islam that Jesus was not divine.

When Islamic laws dictates to any Muslim who converts to another religion falls under the threat and act of death. This threat of death to any Muslim maintained its members in a box to this day.

Rest assured, it is not the faith of Islam that gains popular converts, it’s the political powers behind Islam that shares the wealth from conquered peoples with Muslims.

Today, Islam prefers to conquer once again. Not with military might. Islam today migrates peacefully into non- Muslim countries. The moderate peaceful Muslims are out populating Christian countries, gaining political seats to govern. When Muslims gain the majority, due to the Western Liberal Laws. You can be assured history will repeat itself. This time the extreme Muslims will simply kill and take over the moderate peaceful Muslim political powers. And it is working today in all Western Christian societies. You can see it happen before our eyes. Muslims are taking over and governing neighborhoods first, then cities and states.
I forgot to mention historical Islam and today’s Islam, will not allow any other religion to proselytize within Muslim territories or be met with civil political criminal legal convictions. Thus Islam continued to grow without any opposition. Again it is Islamic Political powers that makes Islam popular, not necessarily the Islamic faith.
Peace be with you
 
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Jim-Eustachius said:
Muhammad Ali? Mike Tyson?

Naturally my only source of celebrities are boxers.
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Yeah, I know about those 2.

I was responding to the statement that “a lot of celebrities converted” to Islam.

I’m only aware of 4. The two you mention, Sinéad O’Connor, and Cat Stevens.

4 hardly equal “a lot of celebrities”
 
Islam nearly took over Eastern Europe as well. They made inroads into the former Yugoslavia. And as you said, they controlled large parts of Spain for 800 years. Under Shariah, new non -Islamic houses of worship cannot be built. And damaged houses of worship cannot be re-built. Non-Muslims have to pay a tax. I don’t know much about the Ottoman Empire, but they took over huge chunks of the world. And a theocracy was established everywhere Islamic armies took over.
 
On the Al-Islam webpage. someone asks the question: “History indicates that Islam spread in its early times through Asia, Africa, and Europe very rapidly. Probably no other religion spread throughout the world as fast as Islam did. There must be some distinguishing features in Islam that caused its rapid growth and made it so phenomenal. I would like to know those factors which contributed to its rapid growth.”
The answer given is that there are seven factors which contributed to the spread of Islam. They are listed here:


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Really, the way they took over was by war. These wars to take over what they felt were infidels began immediately with Mohammed and his brothers and family. Warring and killing is a major way to gain territory and reduce the numbers of other faiths. Christians were a majority in the 600’s and so Christians were a major target of the Muslim wars.
If you are a Christian in Egypt today, then there is a war against you and bombings occur during Easter masses and other masses regularly. Bombings and stopping Christian pilgrimages to Holy monastaries in Egypt also happen. They just stop the trains and massacre all the passengers, children women, all of them.

So IMO its just killing and war that gets the numbes of Muslims up and the population of Christians down.

I admit, Catholics are not having large families like they used to. My aunt had 12 children. I don’t know any Christian family that large myself. But I see in my neighborhoods I lived in Spain and here in France that the Muslim married women have a lot of children. This, coupled with the fact that Muslim men, here in Europe, do have more than one wife. That means there will soon be a lot more Muslims here in Europe than there will be Christians.
 
Reminds me of something I read in a book by Max Hastings (title: ‘Nemesis’) about the Pacific theater in World War II: an Australian civilian prisoner of war who was held in a Japanese internment camp in Indonesia or the Philippines or somewhere in that vicinity was quoted as saying ‘I saw a lot of people die, but never once from a bullet’ meaning that the Japanese soldiers were devilishly inventive about coming up with ways to put people to death with the maximum amount of suffering possible.
 
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claudine said:
They just stop the trains and massacre all the passengers, children women, all of them.
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While Egypt does have an unfortunately recent history of harrassing and killing Christians, this statement is unfounded. I have never heard of it happen. Can you perhaps provide a link to such an occurrence?
 
I wish I had it. This was, I believe two busloads of Christians who were visiting a famous desert monastery on the feast day. It was one of the desert fathers who the monestary was named after. Unfortunately it wasn’t the first time. I am really sorry not to have the article or to remember what news reported it. However, anyone can google and find the terrible terrorist attacks of the Coptic Catholic Churches in Egypt, there have been so many. Some have been on Easter and others during masses. My statements aren’t dishonest. The gunmen who killed the families znd children on the tour to the monestary is for sure true. I will go to wikipedia terrorism and look it up for you.
 
November 2, 2018. you can rad in Al Jezzera or Bbc news.

I got the vehicle wrong, and my recollection was that there were more casualties. It coild be that there was more than one ambush of the Christian tours there.
 
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One could argue like that I suppose. You mention Christians are viiewed with suspicion in the middle east.
I lived in Morocco for a while. Definately there, there is Christian phobia. Westerners are simply cows to be milked for their money. Its very difficult to be a woman in Morocco.
 
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It’s great that the man you mention was able to forgive to that point. Unfortunately I’ve heard of other cases where former POWs were unable to be around peaceful Japanese people, like gardeners back in England, because just seeing them brought on a PTSD attack.
 
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