Not true … lawlessness does the same thing (it discriminates against those who wish there were law) so both laws and lawlessness net the same effect. You have said basicallly nothing.All laws or rules are permission and compulsion to discriminate against some sector of society.
Like I said earlier neither law nor lawlessness kill choice … the question is where is one freer for I contend you are free either in lawlessness or law.All laws and rules then kill freedom of choice.
Then what are you saying?I am not saying that some of these rules and laws are not justified.
Your logic is totally ILLOGICAL.God began as master of all things.
What % of all has He lost.
To lose any % would be back sliding and this is not allowed for God.
As it was in the begining, it shall be in the end.
You totally miss the point and obviously have a much different understanding/definition of Freedom than I do.
Yes, if there is no traffic and I do not interfere with the freedom of others.Answer me this … if you drive on the wrong side of the Highway against oncoming traffic … is that an act of Freedom?
No, if there is traffic and I am stupid enough to place myself or others in jeopordy
If I create no victim and do no harm, why should I have consequences?
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To paraphrase your attempt at syllogism, all rules discriminate against some sector of society. Some rules are justified. Therefore some discrimination is justified.All laws or rules are permission and compulsion to discriminate against some sector of society.
All laws and rules then kill freedom of choice.
I am not saying that some of these rules and laws are not justified.
First you say that what I say is not true, then you say that what I said applies to both the law and to lawlessnessNot true … lawlessness does the same thing (it discriminates against those who wish there were law) so both laws and lawlessness net the same effect. You have said basicallly nothing.
Like I said earlier neither law nor lawlessness kill choice … the question is where is one freer then for I contend you are free either in lawlessness or law.
Then what are you saying?
God cannot lose anything. That is the point.Your logic is totally ILLOGICAL.
What has God lost? Someone who has made choices that put them in a place of hell?
Hey, that’s wonderful. Why don’t you try your theory out by drinking Clorox … see what happens??? O no, the laws of the physical universe are so unfair that you can’t do this without consequences … i guess you aren’t really ‘FREE’??? Freedom means KNOWING that you SHOULDN’T do certain things as well as KNOWING what you SHOULD do … ie … .using your brain and common sense.Yes, if there is no traffic and I do not interfere with the freedom of others.
No, if there is traffic and I am stupid enough to place myself or others in jeopordy
If I create no victim and do no harm, why should I have consequences?
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To paraphrase your attempt at syllogism, all rules discriminate against some sector of society. Some rules are justified. Therefore some discrimination is justified.
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I certainly hope that some laws are, especially for say, murder.
I, and I hope, you will join me, in discrimination strongly against the sub section of society that murders.
If not then explain why you would not please.
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Thanks.
No, God does not loose. If you go to Hell … YOU LOOSE … not God.God cannot lose anything. That is the point.
You are the one that thinks He can lose some souls.
jkiernan56;4802801:
Why don’t you try your theory out by drinking Clorox … see what happens??? O no, the laws of the physical universe are so unfair that you can’t do this without consequences … i guess you aren’t really ‘FREE’??? Freedom means KNOWING that you SHOULDN’T do certain things as well as KNOWING what you SHOULD do … ie … .using your brain and common sense.Hey, that’s wonderful. QUOTE]
Thanks.
Will you use some common sense and answer the stinking question? Are the physical laws of the universe unfair?
I cannot. God’s will forbids it. it would be a lose.No, God does not loose. If you go to Hell … YOU LOOSE … not God.
Having rules (laws or rules … we can call it order) discriminates …ok … so then by definition the opposite should be true since all laws discriminate … no laws (lawlessness or disorder) should not discriminate.All laws or rules are permission and compulsion to discriminate against some sector of society.
Justafool;4802817:
Question do not stink.Why don’t you try your theory out by drinking Clorox … see what happens??? O no, the laws of the physical universe are so unfair that you can’t do this without consequences … i guess you aren’t really ‘FREE’??? Freedom means KNOWING that you SHOULDN’T do certain things as well as KNOWING what you SHOULD do … ie … .using your brain and common sense.
Will you use some common sense and answer the stinking question? Are the physical laws of the universe unfair?
Change your aptitude or **** off.
jkiernan56;4802826:
LOL … you can’t answer the question.Question do not stink.
Change your aptitude or **** off.
Are the PHYSICAL LAWS of the Universe UNFAIR???
Having rules (laws or rules … we can call it order) discriminates …ok … so then by definition the opposite should be true since all laws discriminate … no laws (lawlessness or disorder) should not discriminate.
So I am saying both states discriminate and if both have the same impact then you have not said anything really … your premise follows that by the absence of law then discrmination should be eliminated but it does discriminate against those who wish for order.
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You say that my premise is followed by yours and now it is to me to show that you are right???
Prove your own and I will prove mine.
I did indicate above that some laws are good and that the moment we accept them then freedom is dead. A god death.
I do not know if no law would end discrimination. We have always had natural laws and man made laws.
ncgolf;4802836:
I don’t have to … you made the premise and I am following it thru it’s course. If you change your premise to “Some laws discriminate” that changes things.Having rules (laws or rules … we can call it order) discriminates …ok … so then by definition the opposite should be true since all laws discriminate … no laws (lawlessness or disorder) should not discriminate.
So I am saying both states discriminate and if both have the same impact then you have not said anything really … your premise follows that by the absence of law then discrmination should be eliminated but it does discriminate against those who wish for order.
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You say that my premise is followed by yours and now it is to me to show that you are right???
Prove your own and I will prove mine.
I did indicate above that some laws are good and that the moment we accept them then freedom is dead. A god death.
I do not know if no law would end discrimination. We have always had natural laws and man made laws.
Again … I’m not the one who made the premise … you did … I am only trying to establish a starting point.
Again … if I misstated your original premise … point it out … I didn’t write it and am trying to understand it … and if I cannot understand your starting point then there is no point.
You’re right … but I’d rather help someone have some common sense than spare the sensibilities … knowing the risk of being banned. It is utter non-sense for anyone to think that the physical laws of the universe are UNFAIR because we are not FREE to do whatever we want. Once you can get someone to be reasonable and acknowledge this (ie - help someone to have common sense) … then maybe … just maybe … they might be able to use that same common sense when it comes to other types of acts/choices.If we cannot keep the comments charitable the MODS will close down the thread and those making those comments will be suspended or banned.
Each of us must make this effort … however difficult it is.
Justafool;4802840:
I do not know all the laws of the universe so cannot answer.LOL … you can’t answer the question.
Are the PHYSICAL LAWS of the Universe UNFAIR???
I can deal with one at a time though. Pick one.
Is gravity a fair law. Let me say yes because I have no argument against it.
How’s that for a start.