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ANV
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So it’s not a literal place, because how would anyone choose or prefer to go a place where they suffer specially if they don’t believe that such a place exists, it’s illogical to tell someone they prefer or choose going to a place they don’t believe it’s there, so to you Hell is not a place but a state?Preference is a decision and some will not make a decision about it.
Catechism
1033 We cannot be united with God unless we freely choose to love him. … This state of definitive self-exclusion from communion with God and the blessed is called “hell.”
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Charlemagne_III
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In Catholic theology Lucifer preferred ruling in hell to serving in heaven.So it’s not a literal place, because how would anyone choose or prefer to go a place where they suffer specially if they don’t believe that such a place exists, it’s illogical to tell someone they prefer or choose going to a place they don’t believe it’s there, so to you Hell is not a place but a state?
So it’s not illogical that some humans would make the same choice, even if they didn’t believe that hell exists.
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Perhaps if that was an IF, a hypothesis, to some they might choose it if that happens, but saying beyond the hypothesis and as a fact that those who don’t believe in Hell want to rule in a place they don’t believe it exists is just illogical.In Catholic theology Lucifer preferred ruling in hell to serving in heaven.
So it’s not illogical that some humans would make the same choice, even if they didn’t believe that hell exists.
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STT
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So He feels happier in hell. Why should we lose our freedom over serving?In Catholic theology Lucifer preferred ruling in hell to serving in heaven.
So it’s not illogical that some humans would make the same choice, even if they didn’t believe that hell exists.
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Charlemagne_III
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Hell is hell. I don’t think Satan is happy there, even though he prefers it to heaven.So He feels happier in hell. Why should we lose our freedom over serving?
As the saying goes, misery loves company; and I don’t think it can be doubted that Satan is out to get as many as possible of us into his company.
As Ronald Knox put it: “It is so stupid of modern civilization to have given up believing in the devil … he is the only explanation of it.”
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Vico
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Primarily a state but since souls there will have bodies after the resurrection of the dead, there is a location.So it’s not a literal place, because how would anyone choose or prefer to go a place where they suffer specially if they don’t believe that such a place exists, it’s illogical to tell someone they prefer or choose going to a place they don’t believe it’s there, so to you Hell is not a place but a state?
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hu324b
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We have prisons on the earth created by man where we put all the evil people - God not allowed to do the same thing?
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So heaven and hell are physical, I thought they were spiritual places.Primarily a state but since souls there will have bodies after the resurrection of the dead, there is a location.
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Vico
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After death the body and soul are separated, but at the General Resurrection the soul is reunited with the body.So heaven and hell are physical, I thought they were spiritual places.
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hu324b
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I’ll add - the American view if you don’t believe in the American constitution and the American way of life - we don’t want you in the country.We have prisons on the earth created by man where we put all the evil people - God not allowed to do the same thing?
A kingdom cannot be divided or it will fall.
We apply the very same rules on this earth
God does not want evil and people who rejected him in heaven nor do they belong there.
So you end up in a place full of evil people and demons and wonder why its such a horrible place - much like going to prison on earth.
I have read some NDEs of hell and it always appears that its the demons themselves that are doing the torturing - your in the realm of Satan and he hates man. ( not saying NDEs are true)
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That didn’t answer my question.After death the body and soul are separated, but at the General Resurrection the soul is reunited with the body.
Does that mean heaven and hell are spirutual or physical?
It’s either one or the other. Why would a spuritual place need a body?
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Vico
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The soul is spiritual, which is immaterial, and the body in material, so the soul does not need a place and the body does. Since the resurrected person is both body and soul, heaven and hell must be material.That didn’t answer my question.
Does that mean heaven and hell are spirutual or physical?
It’s either one or the other. Why would a spuritual place need a body?
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Why would the resurrected person be both body and soul, why would the body be needed after death?The soul is spiritual, which is immaterial, and the body in material, so the soul does not need a place and the body does. Since the resurrected person is both body and soul, heaven and hell must be material.
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tonyrey
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Indeed. The old saying “The world is what we make it” is fundamentally true but in this life there is often a clash of interests which doesn’t exist in heaven. Hell is a different proposition!In Catholic theology Lucifer preferred ruling in hell to serving in heaven.
So it’s not illogical that some humans would make the same choice, even if they didn’t believe that hell exists.
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Vico
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Since the soul is united to the body as form to matter.Why would the resurrected person be both body and soul, why would the body be needed after death?
For happiness, since man cannot be happy in this life, man must of necessity hold the resurrection.
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This is confusing, are you making it up?Since the soul is united to the body as form to matter.
For happiness, since man cannot be happy in this life, man must of necessity hold the resurrection.
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ericc
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There are people who think they can get away doing bad acts by getting benefit/gratification in an unjust way. Risk takers are not necessarily irrational. Immoral people are not necessary irrational. Those suffering from a mental defect probably may not qualify as seen to be able accept/reject God freelyGod gives us a choice, to accept Him or not. Do you expect that a rational person to reject goodness and accept eternal punishment? Of course not. What is wrong with irrational people who choose Hell? There should be something that push them to be irrational. What could be that? We cannot just be irrational for no reason unless we are mad. We don’t consider a mad person responsible for his act. So how Hell could be justified?
Hell is just the absence of God. Anyone can choose to be a family/friend of God or not. The thing that binds a family is Love. If one loves someone, he or she will try their best to please him/her and/or not to hurt him/her. Hell is the absence of Love for God.
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They are not believer. Are they? How you could possibly escape from land of God?There are people who think they can get away doing bad acts by getting benefit/gratification in an unjust way.
They are. No one would commit a crime if he knows that punishment is unavoidable.Immoral people are not necessary irrational.
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tonyrey
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The physical body disintegrates but after death it becomes a spiritual body as the result of Christ’s love for us and resurrection.Neither heaven nor purgatory nor hell is situated in time and space.
Code:how a being with body could go into a thing which has no space/room? What you are saying is incoherent.
what does he want us to do? To love him and be loved?God is a spirit in whose image we are made. After death our existence depends on whether we choose to love god or reject him but whatever we choose we wouldn’t exist if weren’t sustained by his love. Nothing can ever alter the fact that we are his children. In Shakespeare’s wonderful words:- sonnet 116
Yes!
Not where the Creator is concerned because it has become a spiritual body.Rejecting love shows the existence of impurity in a rational being. How a being with body could go into a thing which has no space/room? What you are saying is incoherent.
God rejects no one. It is those who reject God’s love who are impure.What does he want us to do? To love him and be loved? Rejecting love shows the existence of impurity in a rational being.
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