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And they somwtimes conveniently MISS that part!
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Wannano
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And the gates of Hell will not prevail against His Church, not from relentless evil forces from either outside or inside the Church.ComplineSanFran:
Our Blessed Lord also promised that the gates of Hell would not prevail against His Church, singular.AugustTherese:
When Jesus said, “Whoever wants to be my disciple must deny themselves and take up their cross and follow me”? No, of course Jesus didn’t lie. That is what Christians do - they follow Jesus. That is how we know each other - and Him.
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ComplineSanFran
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The Body of Christ has many parts to it, yet we all equally live in Jesus and for Jesus.
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SeriousQuestion
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You have to use actual examples.
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Wannano
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Give me an example of what mean.
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SeriousQuestion
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You can’t just say that the Catholic Church is divided without using any examples.
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AugustTherese
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“Now I appeal to you, brothers and sisters, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that all of you be in agreement and that there be no divisions among you, but that you be united in the same mind and the same purpose. What I mean is that each of you says, “I belong to Paul,” or “I belong to Apollos,” or “I belong to Cephas,” or “I belong to Christ.” Has Christ been divided? Was Paul crucified for you? Or were you baptized in the name of Paul?”
1 Corinthians 1:10,12-13
Do you follow King Henry VIII? Do you belong to Martin Luther? Was Calvin crucified for you? Or were you baptized in the name of John Wesley?
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SeriousQuestion
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I don’t know about equally.
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Wannano
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Oh that, ok. I understand there are various types of Catholics, I am sure I will miss some but off the top of my head I can think of cradle, cafeteria, traditional, non-traditional, charismatic, non-charismatic, liberal, conservative, strong, weak, practicing, non-practicing. …still all Catholics!
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ComplineSanFran
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So why do you think that Paul wrote those words? He wrote them because there WERE divisions. He prayed that there would be agreements, but unfortunately, that was never the case.
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SeriousQuestion
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That doesn’t really work, Cafeteria Catholics are technically heretics, and the rest are political division and preferences. For Protestants there are Lutherans, Baptists, Methodists,Calvinists, Anglicans, Church of Christ, Assemblies of God, and a bunch of wider theological differences. And even some of those have different branches within themselves. Plus the Catholic Church has a set of beliefs that is universal to its members. (Some don’t follow, and divide themselves from the Church in a certain way.)
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AugustTherese
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And, we have one Vicar of Christ and a college of Bishops, i.e. the Magisterium, to prevent any of those aforementioned to start his or her own “Catholic Church”.
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Wannano
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I just read recently about a guy in Texas who has started his own Catholic Church and he is even the Pope. Prevented?Wannano:
And, we have one Vicar of Christ and a college of Bishops, i.e. the Magisterium, to prevent any of those aforementioned to start his or her own “Catholic Church”.
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AugustTherese
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No! There were reports of quarrels:
“For it has been reported to me by Chloe’s people that there are quarrels among you, my brothers and sisters.”
1 Corinthians 1:11
Quarrels are hardly doctrinal divisions and schisms. Further, Saint Paul wrote this exhorting the Corinthians so that there would be no divisions:
“Now I appeal to you, brothers and sisters, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that all of you be in agreement and that there be no divisions among you, but that you be united in the same mind and the same purpose.”
1 Corinthians 1:10
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AugustTherese
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And…? No one has any authority to do so. Also, crystal meth is a potent drug.
If I start my own U.S. central government and claim I am the President, does that undermine the actual U.S. federal government and the actual President?
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SeriousQuestion
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That’s not actually Catholic.
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Wannano
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2 Timothy 2:23. I’m gonna go and clean my garage.
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TexasLoneStar
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It depends if you consider each Evangelical/Pentecostal/Non-denom ecclestatial community with a different name as a “different denomination”. If you do, then thousands, if you don’t then still maybe 1500.
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Peebo
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I would say there is only one Protestant denomination…but many different Protestant churches with differing interpretations of scripture among that one Protestant denomination…just as there is only one Holy…Catholic and Apostolic church.
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ComplineSanFran
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Perhaps you might want to do a bit of studying up in this area. There was no such thing as formal ‘doctrinal divisions and schisms’ in the post-resurrection Jesus movement. What was called "The Way’ was filled with different people who had very different ideas of who Jesus was and how to follow him. It took hundreds of years of quarreling to even begin to sort out Christian theology and doctrine. In the early years, tho, there were groups in Jerusalem, in Rome, in Antioch, etc, all with very different ideas and beliefs. There were Jews, Hellenists, Gentiles… Well, you don’t want my early church history lecture. But perhaps you might find Chadwick and Frend interesting reading in this area.
Needless to say, the church has never been “one.”
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