How the Catholic 'alt-right' aims to purge LGBTQ members from the church

[pnewton]

How does your conclusion about not defending them square with Church teaching?

I am fine with it. Silence is always an internet option, and I was only speaking of the internet. There is an important point that those who are themselves intolerant, should not themselves be intolerant of others. It is a weakness that undermines otherwise good causes.

 

[pnewton]

it is merely a slur made up by the left to delegitimize criticism of those who advocate rejection or change of unchangeable Church doctrine on sexuality.

I have never heard the term used in the way you describe, but the title of this thread also seemed odd, and the article may use the term that way. NBC is using the term rather loosely.

 

[gracepoole]

gracepoole:

How does your conclusion about not defending them square with Church teaching?

I am fine with it. Silence is always an internet option, and I was only speaking of the internet. There is an important point that those who are themselves intolerant, should not themselves be intolerant of others. It is a weakness that undermines otherwise good causes.

But my question was about squaring your position with Church teaching. It sounds as though you’ve allowed all homosexuals to be identified by the actions and statements of some, and you’ve decided to deny all of them the use of your voice against hatred spewed at them. I’m very grateful when others don’t identify all Catholics by the actions and statements of child molesters.

 

[pnewton]

But my question was about squaring your position with Church teaching

Like I said, silence on the internet is an option. The Church does not require anyone to be active on the internet. That is not part of Church teaching.

 

[gracepoole]

When others sick themselves on homosexuals online and vilify them, you see no moral duty to stand up for them? You see no moral duty to decry the vilification of an entire group no matter where it occurs?

 

[abucs]

The problem is that you do not get to determine the meaning of the term (unfortunately).

Yes Anne but the next question is who does get to define it.

When the Left secular media think they get to define the term am I supposed to accept that?

I put the Left secular media on the same level as any neo Nazi racist. In fact I put them at a worse level because nowadays neo Nazi racists are such a small and insignificant group of people.

 

[abucs]

You’re really comfortable aligning yourself with neo-nazis, the KKK, and Alex Jones’ wacko conspiracy theories?

I’m sorry to hear that.

Don’t be sorry. I don’t align myself with any of those groups / people.

 

[poche]

Publicizing the sins of another without there being a serious need is a mortal sin. It is called detraction. That being said if you are a pastoral associate then you are in a position of being a semi-public person and you should post online with your position and what you are supposed to represent in mind. You can take a vacation from the school or the office but you can’t take a vacation from your Catholic faith.

 

[angel12]

Don’t be sorry. I don’t align myself with any of those groups / people.

You said you’re going to consider yourself part of the alt-right. If so, you are indeed aligning yourself with the white nationalists/KKK/neo-Nazis, because they and those like them are the alt-right.

 

[abucs]

You said you’re going to consider yourself part of the alt-right. If so, you are indeed aligning yourself with the white nationalists/KKK/neo-Nazis, because they and those like them are the alt-right.

No I don’t think so. I don’t let secular left media set the definitions.

I don’t meet any neo Nazis nor do hear them claim the title alt-right title with any meaning or conviction. If you want to be a full blown Nazi the term alt right seems a very big climb down. I think it is a meaningless connection created by political activism.

I suspect alt-right was very quickly hijacked n by the secular left as an all encompassing label with the neo Nazi bogeyman in the background.

Not really interested in what the secular Left media think or define.

 

[Annie]

Whose sin did I reveal? I noted that certain actions are deleterious. People commit those actions. If I had said John Smith has been trolling, it would be a different matter.

 

[Annie]

Yes Anne but the next question is who does get to define it.

Maybe the guy who coined the phrase and tried to start a movement based on it?

• “The ideal of a white ethno-state — and it is an ideal — is something that I think we should think about in the sense of what could come after America,” Spencer toldpublic radio program “Reveal.” “It’s kind of like a grand goal … It’s a way of thinking about [how] we want a new type of society that would actually be a homeland for all white people.”*

Sorry, this guy totally does not speak for me. He coined the phrase alt-right for his own dastardly racist plot.

Here’s an article about him: Redirect Notice

To be honest, my experience with the phrase was that it was about a different way of conservatism; it was only a few weeks later that I heard a radio interview with Spencer in which he made the racist aspect of his idea clear. This was in the summer of 2016.

Perhaps you had a similar experience and feel the term has been hijacked or misattributed. This would be understandable, but at this point, we have to accept reality.

Maybe you could start a counter-alt-right movement?

 

[angel12]

No I don’t think so. I don’t let secular left media set the definitions.

The term alt-right was coined, and applied to white supremacy, by Richard Spencer. Hardly “secular left” anything.

I can stand here all day and call yellow “purple.” That doesn’t make it purple.

 

[pnewton]

If we go back to the first post though, I think it is fair to say that the term, while applicable to those like Richard Spencer, was misused by NBC in creating a Catholic alt-right. The groups mentioned are nothing like Nazis, are not white supremacists, and have never supported nationalism. It is NBC that started the mis-labeling, and in that type of usage, it was a slur.

This is not the first time that opposing homosexuality and the promotion of sexual immorality has been equated with racism.

 

[Annie]

I can only give you one heart

 

[MarlboroMan]

I am probably as close to being a member of the Catholic “alt-right” as you can get, but I don’t want to purge homosexuals from the Church. I just want them to stop being homosexuals.

 

[angel12]

This is not the first time that opposing homosexuality and the promotion of sexual immorality has been equated with racism.

But this story wasn’t about just opposing homosexuality. Tire slashing? Death threats? Harassment? That’s not “opposing homosexuality,” that’s using religion as an excuse for being a thug.
And since they are claiming to be supporting conservative “values,” these thugs do qualify as alt-right.

 

[MarlboroMan]

Tire slashing? Death threats? Harassment?

I don’t believe for one minute that those things happened.

The only person alleging that stuff is an open radical homosexual with a history of lying and persecuting Catholics in the diocese.

 

[pnewton]

I don’t believe for one minute that those things happened.

I believe these things could have happened. Given 325 million Americans, there are always some who will do such things, and some who will lie about it. However, the groups mentioned by NBC did not do this.

So there was on case mentioned of violence that, according to this man, is the reason he resigned. I do not know if this is true, but it is expected that such a resignation would be in order for anyone living in an on-going sexual relationship with someone with whom they are not married, male or female, and homosexual marriage can never qualify as marriage. So NBC really was off building all this on one case of resignation that should have happened anyway, or upon one case of violence where there is no evidence the perpetrators had any connection with the groups they are labeling as “alt-right.”

So what we have is Catholics now who think it okay to say they are “alt-right” for being Catholic. The term needs to stay where it was and not be expanded like this.

 

[pnewton]

There is also the spin in the article about these groups, whoever you call them, aiming to “purge LGBTQ members from the Church,” when the article speaks of purging the active ones from leadership position in the Church. While I agree that these groups are too focused on one sin to the exclusion of others, there is no reason that anyone who creates scandal should be in a position of leadership in the Church, whether it be someone living in a gay marriage, or…